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Old 2004-08-11, 02:42   Link #61
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well, it's definitely not a "bodily love"... not yet at least... more like a platonian romance relationship I guess... something like in Kiddy Grade, and maybe .hack//SIGN...

It's safe to say that Koichi loves lesbian overtone a lot I guess
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Old 2004-08-11, 05:30   Link #62
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well, it's definitely not a "bodily love"... not yet at least... more like a platonian romance relationship I guess... something like in Kiddy Grade, and maybe .hack//SIGN...

It's safe to say that Koichi loves lesbian overtone a lot I guess
It seems that if some people look for sexual connotations they will find it. I think the only possible saphic aspect to Noir was Chloe's kiss, but I think even that was a tender act of 'joining'. Chloe and Kirika are sole mates, since the beginning, their bond was ethereal and the kiss was more like 'self love' than anything else.

That aside, Noir is an imperfect masterpiece.
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Old 2004-08-11, 06:07   Link #63
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Well it's nothing "sexual", but more like "spiritual" and "emotional"... but then how often do we see real "sexual" relationships even between male and female leads in animes (excluding hentai animes of course)? Take for example, the relationship between Van and Hitomi in Escaflowne, there's also nothing sexual between them... Yanagi and Recca in Flame of Recca? Nothing sexual neither. Seiya and Athena in Saint Seiya? Not in a million years

It'd be hard to find real sexual relationship in normal shounen animes, not to mention shoujo-ai animes. I think the best way to describe them is that they are "companions of a lifetime" or something, as in Noir and Kiddy Grade...
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Old 2004-08-11, 07:02   Link #64
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Well it's nothing "sexual", but more like "spiritual" and "emotional"... but then how often do we see real "sexual" relationships even between male and female leads in animes (excluding hentai animes of course)? Take for example, the relationship between Van and Hitomi in Escaflowne, there's also nothing sexual between them... Yanagi and Recca in Flame of Recca? Nothing sexual neither. Seiya and Athena in Saint Seiya? Not in a million years

It'd be hard to find real sexual relationship in normal shounen animes, not to mention shoujo-ai animes. I think the best way to describe them is that they are "companions of a lifetime" or something, as in Noir and Kiddy Grade...
Well, the previous posts were concerned with the supposed sexual aspects of Kirika and Mirielle's relationship. I was merely suggesting if you look for it you will find it, whether it exists or not, as their relationship was purposefully vague at best. There's a lot open to interpretation between the main three characters, but only Chloe's kiss has any definate connotations.
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Old 2004-08-11, 08:11   Link #65
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Well, the previous posts were concerned with the supposed sexual aspects of Kirika and Mirielle's relationship. I was merely suggesting if you look for it you will find it, whether it exists or not, as their relationship was purposefully vague at best. There's a lot open to interpretation between the main three characters, but only Chloe's kiss has any definate connotations.
Hmm... where do you find the "supposed sexual aspects"? you mean in previous pages months back? The recent previous posts said nothing about "sexual" aspects of Kirika and Mirielle's relationship, eternal asked "Is Kirika in love with mireille?" and I think there's nothing "sexual" in it. And the answer to the question is a resounding yes imo since Kirika clearly expressed that she loved Mirielle in the last letter she gave her. Anyway were you replying to me post or not? it could be kinda confusing

but then there are indeed some suggestive scenes that's open to interpretation for sure... as Fellini posted...
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Old 2004-08-11, 08:29   Link #66
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Hmm... where do you find the "supposed sexual aspects"? you mean in previous pages months back? The recent previous posts said nothing about "sexual" aspects of Kirika and Mirielle's relationship, eternal asked "Is Kirika in love with mireille?" and I think there's nothing "sexual" in it. And the answer to the question is a resounding yes imo since Kirika clearly expressed that she loved Mirielle in the last letter she gave her. Anyway were you replying to me post or not? it could be kinda confusing

but then there are indeed some suggestive scenes that's open to interpretation for sure... as Fellini posted...
Yeah sorry, I was responding to Fellini's comments. Most specifically ...

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Another is in NYC when Mireille gets up from bed in that nightgown; Kirika's eyes are definitely open for interpretation.
...suggestive or 'sexual' connotation? Same thing if you ask me in this context i.e. does Kirika harbour lustful feelings for Mirielle. I don't think she does. I think she loves her without a doubt. But it's the love of close friends. It may be intimate in one respect, but not sexual.

Let's not get into semantics though.
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Old 2004-08-11, 13:20   Link #67
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I read an essay on this whole relationship between Kirika/Mireille/Chloe, it's an interesting read
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Old 2004-08-11, 17:01   Link #68
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I just finished watching Noir, and it was simply amazing. The story did progress slowly, but for some reason it still kept me enthralled and I just couldn't stop watching. There were some things that bothered me like the excessive flashbacks, but in retrospect those were built up very nicely towards the real revelation of what happened. The gunfights are a bit cliche (the bad guys never seem to be able to hit anything), but that didn't really bother me and I did generally like the action especially some of the near superhuman feats of agility and crafty moves by Kirika.

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Old 2004-08-11, 17:33   Link #69
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personally, this is what I think
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Old 2004-08-11, 17:33   Link #70
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I just finished watching Noir, and it was simply amazing. The story did progress slowly, but for some reason it still kept me enthralled and I just couldn't stop watching. There were some things that bothered me like the excessive flashbacks, but in retrospect those were built up very nicely towards the real revelation of what happened. The gunfights are a bit cliche (the bad guys never seem to be able to hit anything), but that didn't really bother me and I did generally like the action especially some of the near superhuman feats of agility and crafty moves by Kirika.

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It's been a while since I watched it, but wasn't it implied that...

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Old 2004-08-11, 17:57   Link #71
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It's been a while since I watched it, but wasn't it implied that...

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Old 2004-08-11, 18:09   Link #72
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Old 2004-08-11, 18:37   Link #73
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but still
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And I always think
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Still the main plot is imo mediocre at best, especially with the repeated
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Personally I love a lot of the "side plots" in Noir much much more than the main plot...

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Old 2004-08-11, 18:40   Link #74
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Old 2004-08-11, 18:57   Link #76
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Argh I'll have to rewatch the whole thing just so I can fill in some of the blanks... I'll let this sink in a while first though, don't wanna OD on this stuff.
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Old 2004-08-11, 19:33   Link #77
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Old 2004-08-11, 19:54   Link #78
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Old 2004-08-11, 20:16   Link #79
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I wouldn't have been surprised if it was a pre-planned memory 'trigger' considering Altena's bias toward Chloe and Kirika was pretty obvious.

Ironic, in the end, that Mirielle made it to the Manor with sheer nerve rather than being 'engineered' by Altena.


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I still wonder if it was really Altena's intention all along to get Mireille and Kirika teamed up, since she could have avoided this possibility altogether.


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That’s why I love this… cliché. This is one of the cliché that is SO VERY EASILY said than done. Sure everyone knows about it but how many have actually done it, not to mention to the extend that Kirika takes? Even more importantly, if they are to face this situation, very few people can actually do it. But Kirika did.
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Old 2004-08-11, 20:32   Link #80
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That’s why I love this… cliché. This is one of the cliché that is SO VERY EASILY said than done. Sure everyone knows about it but how many have actually done it, not to mention to the extend that Kirika takes? Even more importantly, if they are to face this situation, very few people can actually do it. But Kirika did.
I guess very few people can actually do it because very few people are actually stupid enough to do it, and that no people live in anime... not to mention as anime protagonists...

I mean, if you do that kind of things in real life, you'll most likely end up dead with your enemies laughing over your corpse... about whether everyone knows about it, I'm not sure, I myself don't particularly agree with that kind of logic (or philosophy, or reasoning, or whatever)

In the end the only thing it proved is that it's very hard to kill an anime main protagonist
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