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Old 2009-10-29, 16:19   Link #1141
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None of the high ranking non-pureblood vampires trust any purebloods, period. And Sara, another pureblood, supposedly killed her fiance - so what Kaname did wasn't any different.

I don't think it's Kaname's chess game, per se, but a chess game that all the characters in VK are playing, including the Chairman. The only two who may not be playing are Yuuki and Zero (and, three, if you count Yuuki's friend). But, by not playing the chess game, does not mean that they are not pieces of the games itself. As I see it, by not "playing", does not mean that Zero and Yuuki are any better, they are just simply letting themselves be pawns - easily manipulated and useless. Although Zero is beginning to get a hold of his own fate, which is good for him.

Sometimes the one moving the pieces are not doing so out of ill intentions, but, rather, move them in order to protect them from being killed by the other player. However, by taking up this role, he placed himself in a bad light in the eyes of the audience for the sake of those he wanted to protect.
I wasn't referring to Purebloods i was referring to the other Vampire Nobles. Just like in human society killing another is looked down upon the same in th vampire community. If the others knew that Kaname had killed another Pureblood to further his own goals their would be doubt within their minds. If there was nothing to it Kaname would not have had to hide what he has done. Which is why Sara used that opportunity to remind Kaname of his own sins.

The puppets may dance but the puppeteer may not always be apparent. Kaname achieved his primary goal of getting Yuuki back by his side and his chess game was a part of that, the fact remains that Kaname has too many secrets for me to trust that he has good intentions. He protected Yuuki but in the process left chaos in his wake Kaname seems to want things both ways and of course we know that is not possible. But it seems others are moving their own pieces that may and probably do conflict with Kaname's. Yuuki has been the ultimate pawn which is why i laughed when she said she was not the same its not true, I believe when Yuuki has to stand on her own with no help for the first time will determine if her character succeeds or fails, if we really want to see what Yuuki is made of we need to remove Kaname from equation just like how Zero was removed. Zero who was also a pawn has started to come into his own but the mysteries are far from over. Im certain there is another player in the game that we are not aware off that will offset the balance.

I actually support Zero's stance on PureBloods for the simple fact that he thinks Purebloods are the source of the turmoil in his world. He is wrong but i understand his reasoning. I think many forget that Zero is a hunter not a high school student anymore his job is to hunt vampires. His feelings towards vampires are justified. However he needs to break the cycle of hate or he will never find peace. Zero will never so easily take back the words he spoke to Yuuki especially with what just happened in the past chapter.
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Old 2009-10-29, 18:37   Link #1142
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I agree. I think Kaname's fall will be tragic, because I think in the end he'll regret what he did, while still loving Yuuki, and he'll realize that if he REALLY loves Yuuki, he'll giver her her freedom and the right to choose without being blinded. Or perhaps he'll offer himself as a sacrifice in some way as recompense for his manipulations. I think (or rather hope) that he will realize Zero is good for Yuuki and will eventually let go. Which would be sad. But it would be resolving, as long as Yuuki wasn't scarred by whatever happens to Kaname. Dang it! I just don't know Kaname's REAL intentions are.
There were a number of times when Yuuki put her foot down and Kaname never stood in her way. A good example was when Yuuki decided to return to fight along with Zero against Rido - Kaname never made one objection. He never had objected to any of Yuuki's decision when she makes a case for it; she was always freely allowed to decide but it is her own hesitation that really traps her. One thing that has to be given credit for, is that a large part of Yuuki's present position is due to her own decision - one cannot blame Kaname entirely.

It will probably be no surprise to some of us (and a lot surprise to others) when Kaname's real intentions are revealed. In a way, I really hope VK ends soon. I just want to know what will happen at the end.

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I wasn't referring to Purebloods i was referring to the other Vampire Nobles.
I know. That's why I said "None of the high ranking non-pureblood vampires trust any purebloods, period." Non-pureblood as in: noble vampires and other types of vampires.

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The puppets may dance but the puppeteer may not always be apparent. Kaname achieved his primary goal of getting Yuuki back by his side and his chess game was a part of that, the fact remains that Kaname has too many secrets for me to trust that he has good intentions. He protected Yuuki but in the process left chaos in his wake Kaname seems to want things both ways and of course we know that is not possible. But it seems others are moving their own pieces that may and probably do conflict with Kaname's. Yuuki has been the ultimate pawn which is why i laughed when she said she was not the same its not true, I believe when Yuuki has to stand on her own with no help for the first time will determine if her character succeeds or fails, if we really want to see what Yuuki is made of we need to remove Kaname from equation just like how Zero was removed. Zero who was also a pawn has started to come into his own but the mysteries are far from over. Im certain there is another player in the game that we are not aware off that will offset the balance.

I actually support Zero's stance on PureBloods for the simple fact that he thinks Purebloods are the source of the turmoil in his world. He is wrong but i understand his reasoning. I think many forget that Zero is a hunter not a high school student anymore his job is to hunt vampires. His feelings towards vampires are justified. However he needs to break the cycle of hate or he will never find peace. Zero will never so easily take back the words he spoke to Yuuki especially with what just happened in the past chapter.
Although it is true that Kaname personally wants Yuuki to be by his side (any guy in love would want that) but I don't think he intentionally manipulates people just to get her to his side. The previous chapters, to me, indicates that this is not the case. I think he's manipulating in order to protect. In his position, it would be foolish to be transparent with one's intentions or moves - so Kaname's actions are proper. If Zero or Yuuki were in Kaname's position, I think they would have been out-maneuvered and checkmate early on.

I agree with what you say about Zero. Until he gives up on that blind hatred, he won't be able to move forward with Yuuki or with his own life.
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Old 2009-10-29, 22:46   Link #1143
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Decent chapter. I really liked Yuki in this chapter. This is more the Yuki I like, the one that seemed to have disappear for the past year. It seems she can't completely defy Kaname yet but she at least took steps towards with her actions with Aidou. She's likes throwing herself headfirst into this situations so now we'll see how she handles it now that's she a pureblood. I look at Yuki as the one who can redeem purebloods in my mind. There's no more VC but yet purebloods still are unable to stop playing games with others lives.

Yori's a bit of an odd one. Her whole apology for not smelling the blood was funny. I wonder where they're taking her character. I also wonder why the hunter didn't at least stay alive long enough to tell them who it was that bit him but I guess that would be too convenient. Hell they should have at least given him a remorseful "rosebud" before he died. Poor guy.



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There were a number of times when Yuuki put her foot down and Kaname never stood in her way. A good example was when Yuuki decided to return to fight along with Zero against Rido - Kaname never made one objection. He never had objected to any of Yuuki's decision when she makes a case for it; she was always freely allowed to decide but it is her own hesitation that really traps her. One thing that has to be given credit for, is that a large part of Yuuki's present position is due to her own decision - one cannot blame Kaname entirely.

It will probably be no surprise to some of us (and a lot surprise to others) when Kaname's real intentions are revealed. In a way, I really hope VK ends soon. I just want to know what will happen at the end.
That's a really really bad example. He in fact pinned her in his arms and threatened to take her with him by force until she came back with if he ever did that she'd never forgive him. That is quite a good example of how Kaname's tries to control her. This is just one of the few times he is completely overt with it. A large credit for Yuuki present position also has to do with Zero telling her to shove off and Kaname constant guilt trips and reminders that she belongs at his side. Blame should go around on this one.



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I know. That's why I said "None of the high ranking non-pureblood vampires trust any purebloods, period." Non-pureblood as in: noble vampires and other types of vampires.
The Aidou family supports him and it was mentioned in earlier chapters that most of the nobles didn't support the council. While I'm certain Kaname likes to paint the entire Vampire Society as enemies so as look like a victim I doubt that's close to the truth. Sure, I bet many Nobles fear and even hate Purebloods but his actions almost certainly would cause that fear and hate to grow much more. Whatever trust or willingness to trust was there has certainly lessened. Such a blanket statement is almost certainly wrong. Perhaps that it is more true now but lets not forget many noble family sent their kids to the school under Kaname watch so I would suspect they had some trust to begin with.


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I agree with what you say about Zero. Until he gives up on that blind hatred, he won't be able to move forward with Yuuki or with his own life.
I agree he should focus all of his hatred on Kaname.
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Old 2009-10-30, 15:31   Link #1144
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That's a really really bad example. He in fact pinned her in his arms and threatened to take her with him by force until she came back with if he ever did that she'd never forgive him. That is quite a good example of how Kaname's tries to control her. This is just one of the few times he is completely overt with it. A large credit for Yuuki present position also has to do with Zero telling her to shove off and Kaname constant guilt trips and reminders that she belongs at his side. Blame should go around on this one.
Hmm, it's been so long since I read those chapters; plus, I'm not that into VK anymore these days, so I may remember it wrong. But as I recall seeing it when I read the chapter back then, that it was more of an empty threat on Kaname's part than anything more. He knew Yuuki would insist, so he didn't really press on the issue. But, anyway, I'll give this argument to you that it was probably a bad example.


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The Aidou family supports him and it was mentioned in earlier chapters that most of the nobles didn't support the council. While I'm certain Kaname likes to paint the entire Vampire Society as enemies so as look like a victim I doubt that's close to the truth. Sure, I bet many Nobles fear and even hate Purebloods but his actions almost certainly would cause that fear and hate to grow much more. Whatever trust or willingness to trust was there has certainly lessened. Such a blanket statement is almost certainly wrong. Perhaps that it is more true now but lets not forget many noble family sent their kids to the school under Kaname watch so I would suspect they had some trust to begin with.
I thought it was more that Aidou himself trusted Kaname, not so much his entire family. But I should have corrected myself and said that "most" of the Noble Vampires and etc....

It's probably just me, but I'm beginning to find that Amano-sensei is dragging things out a bit too much. My attention is wearing thin - bordering boredom. T_T Maybe I'll just wait until she finishes the whole thing and jump straight to the end just to see who's the last one standing.
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Old 2009-11-21, 14:17   Link #1145
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Old 2009-11-23, 09:32   Link #1146
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Old 2009-11-25, 00:08   Link #1147
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It was a quiet chapter. Still, good stuff. One point I was confused on...the hunter who was manipulated by Sara and killed Ouri and was found by Zero and the Chairman..was female? I thought it was a guy? Or are they separate incidents?

I agree, I liked how Rima came right out and said how she didn't remember Yuuki wearing heels. And the part about how Yuuki kept trying to make Kaname not feel bad about the vampires' history-that it was all in the past. But HE WAS THERE. He's definitely keeping something from her. I think Yuuki is going to break the rules and try and discover what it is.

Hopefully.

The only disappointment of the chapter was that there wasn't much Zero. I LOVED the beautiful cover for it though!
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Old 2009-11-25, 17:39   Link #1148
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Agree with everything you stated iv had these same feelings for a long time now. Which is why i support Zero in his actions and not Kaname.

However i will admit it was nice to see a bit of the old Yuki shinning through and Rima was right Kaname's perception of what Yuki should look like is off. Iv never liked her dressed in little doll dresses with heels it just isnt her.
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Old 2009-11-28, 13:51   Link #1149
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Decent chapter as a whole. We get some insight into the reasoning behind why Sara killed Ouri. Though I do wonder how she feels that becoming Queen will allow her not to become like the other purebloods. Is this more ambition than anything else?

The past was fairly interesting. Some theories panned out as the Purebloods had a war in the past that thinned them out after that apparently immortality causes an impotence than even the strongest Viagra can't cure. Kaname apparently was in the center of this war but he's still dancing around the issue and has revealed any of it to Yuuki. Yuuki at least in this chapter while she doesn't call him out on his misdirections she stills sees them and will on her own pursue things

One thing that caught my attention this chapter was that Kaname dressing up of Yuuki was brought up in manga. I've never actually taken the time to consider why he does it, I always assumed it was because he was an ass, but this chapter made me consider the question. I wondered about these "whims" especially the long hair one which felt a bit odd to me. I've begun to wonder if in fact Kaname is dressing her up to match a previous lover, the one that he might be holding the shards off we see in his previous flashbacks. It would make sense that they would resemble each other greatly as the family practices inbreeding. Now I wouldn't normally consider such a thing because the level of patheticness needed to do something like this is pretty astronomical but lately I've found purebloods pretty pitiful.
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Old 2009-11-29, 10:58   Link #1150
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Haha, I couldn't agree more! Kaname dressing up Yuuki for that reason is an interesting theory. I miss her short hair and her spunk, that's for sure. She needs to do some sneaking soon to figure out what Kaname's up to!
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Old 2009-11-30, 15:06   Link #1151
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I've begun to wonder if in fact Kaname is dressing her up to match a previous lover, the one that he might be holding the shards off we see in his previous flashbacks. It would make sense that they would resemble each other greatly as the family practices inbreeding. Now I wouldn't normally consider such a thing because the level of patheticness needed to do something like this is pretty astronomical but lately I've found purebloods pretty pitiful.
i also have those thoughts since a while. especially since purebloods all seem to look alike (in the same family). and i agree, it would be totally lame. i would really start to dislike kaname even if he does love yuuki for herself.

also mentioning the long hair brought up the thought how long will she be having it? somehow i can see a haircut scene coming. that would be totally awesome! ^^

oh yeah, and rima ftw! and poor aidou xD
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i also have those thoughts since a while. especially since purebloods all seem to look alike (in the same family). and i agree, it would be totally lame. i would really start to dislike kaname even if he does love yuuki for herself.
I think he would go a little farther than just dressing her up had he really wanted to do it (Genji Style ).

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also mentioning the long hair brought up the thought how long will she be having it? somehow i can see a haircut scene coming. that would be totally awesome! ^^

I hope she doesn't cut her hair, I like it when the main character has a permanent physical change (and I prefer her with long hair over short hair), something most manga's rarely do.
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Old 2009-12-03, 20:56   Link #1153
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I can understand Kaname's secretiveness and his strategic actions in this political arena but I cannot understand, nor can I agree with, Kaname deciding how Yuuki should dress or what she looks like. Although I like Kaname, I am disappointed that his character would reach this low. T_T

...I guess after all that's happened and all the changes the characters (Zero, Yuuki, and Kaname) have undergone; my views of them changed as well. Zero and Kaname are now pretty much at a tie in my books. *shakes head at Kaname* -_-

On another note, I wonder if Kaname wants Yuuki to dress that way because she looks more like Juuri...hmmm, maybe Kaname really likes Juuri after all. Hell, I prefer Juuri over Yuuki...at least her mother wasn't as indecisive and "weak" like her.
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Ugh! Now we have to wait until February for a new chapter! Anyways, I liked this chapter. Ended interestingly. Yuuki's coming off stronger-a good thing. I found Aidou a bit annoying. The convo between Kaito and Zero was good-Kaito hit it right on the money about Zero underneath being emotionally unstable. Zero's going to crack at some point. And Yuuki ending purebloods' lives? Hmmm...I don't know if she can really do it. And would Kaname ever be included in that? We'll have to see!
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Ugh! Now we have to wait until February for a new chapter! Anyways, I liked this chapter. Ended interestingly. Yuuki's coming off stronger-a good thing. I found Aidou a bit annoying. The convo between Kaito and Zero was good-Kaito hit it right on the money about Zero underneath being emotionally unstable. Zero's going to crack at some point. And Yuuki ending purebloods' lives? Hmmm...I don't know if she can really do it. And would Kaname ever be included in that? We'll have to see!
With Kaname's character waving the death flag all this time, maybe this is how he'll go down - by Yuuki's own hands. That would be an interesting ending - sad - but interesting. Or maybe Yuuki will end up killing both Zero and Kaname...and then she's the only one left...that'll give a very unexpected ending. Yuuki...the Grim Reaper.
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Teehee, it just may be possible!
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#58 is out and it's interesting chapter

but I still need a translation to understand what has happened in the end, lol
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