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Old 2010-01-12, 13:22   Link #1
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Character discussion - Ange

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Old 2010-01-12, 17:48   Link #2
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I think I'm one of the few who doesn't like Ange for no reason...
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Old 2010-01-12, 18:40   Link #3
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I think I'm one of the few who doesn't like Ange for no reason...
Apparently there are many people who don't like Ange. I found more people not liking her after the anime came out, before then it seemed as if everybody and their grandmom loved Ange. ^^;
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Old 2010-01-12, 18:48   Link #4
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I'm rather Neutral towards Ange. She's a good character, very sympathetic although I did not find her very interesting in terms of personality.
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Old 2010-01-13, 00:12   Link #5
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Having only one episode (EP4) to develop her character so far kinda makes it tough to come to a major conclusion on her yet.

First time I saw her I found her to be pretty badass, but as things progressed she showed herself to have a pretty robotic personality. But that's not hard imagine considering how she grew up after the events of EP3.

Though her scene with Battler was touching.~
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Old 2010-01-13, 02:16   Link #6
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Apparently there are many people who don't like Ange. I found more people not liking her after the anime came out, before then it seemed as if everybody and their grandmom loved Ange. ^^;
I'm actually the opposite. I found her bland and Mary Sueish (not in her actions, but in her whole woe-is-me backstory and draaaaaaaaaaaaagging the beginning of EP4) in the VN, but the Anime actually made me like her more. Combination of her voice and trimming down those flashbacks and 1998 scenes, I think (the only parts of EP4 I think the Anime handled well). Her entrance in episode 18 was enough to give her like 20+ coolness points for me, actually XD

Still, she's not really up there in my list of favorites. I tend not to pity characters and their situations when I feel like the 'pity me' card is being shoved down my throat...but I can appreciate some of the cool stuff she did, and particularly her sacrifice that the Anime butchered. She knew it wouldn't be able to save her, the Ange of 1998, but she did it anyways, and that deserves credit in my opinion. Overall, though, even if she's not traditionally 'emo', her emotionless personality and general blandness doesn't put her on track as one of my favorites...but I don't hate her, either.

For what it's worth, I also feel like she was one of the best and most consistently well-animated characters in the series. I'm not sure why that is, but I can only really remember one QUALITY Ange scene (where her chest was bigger than her head). For the most part she seemed to be animated well, and I like her Anime design a lot more than her VN one (though I feel that way about most characters, she stands out in particular).
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Old 2010-01-13, 02:39   Link #8
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I agree: Ange wasn't particularly well adapted, as I personally saw her more "emotionally numb" in the anime than in the game. (Lack of certain scenes, but generally speaking, her emotions were quite stoic).
Actually, what I liked with Ange is how the progression of her emotional state is growing, without being out of character or absurdely random. If I were to see her smiling character sprite right from the start without any build up, I would certainly be sort of disturbed.

Anyway, I think that Ange is the character that got terribly mistaken due to how her past was written (let's face it: the way how it was redundant at times had an impact on the appreciation of the character as a whole for some reason), which rather leaves to some misunderstanding I guess.

Personally, I think she is one of the most interesting and intricate characters of the franchise. Part of it is of course how she had it rough, but I personally was more interested by her mindset growing over time. Any character with remotely the same kind of backstory would just turn into mop or whatever, but that wasn't actually the case for her. She started to be totally "indifferent" at first after losing so much with Eva, then progressively, she understood the "concept of magic" (or probably: how "love" can change a given truth).
That is to say, if I were to define Ange of 1998/meta world, I believe she is nowhere close to the "emo character" or quite unconventional. She never lamented on her fate, nor she was acting like a mop. Instead, she could go forward, even if she won't have what she has longed for 12 years. That is quite something for someone that basically lost everything.

Delusional? I don't exactly think so: the way how she expresses herself regarding Sakutarou and the sisters makes me think she has a very distinct idea of "what they are" in her mind, but that doesn't mean she has to go all pragmatic and deny them. That is sort of the same of people believing in superstition in our era, or people talking to themselves when alone at times.

Anyway, beyond her interesting background and growth, she was also quite entertaining with her jabs and bad ass side, but also a very nice personalty, sort of an all rounder.
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Old 2010-01-13, 21:01   Link #9
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I think her story was a little rushed, personally.

Which is weird, because I found her flashbacks in Episode 4 to drag on a lot.
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Old 2010-04-13, 10:13   Link #10
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Not enough Ange Love in this thread!

Ange was a great character that was just used by Bernkastel she almost had no emotion until she "died" in EP4. At least it gave Battler the determination and will along with his promise to Beato to see this through to the end.
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Old 2010-04-13, 19:35   Link #11
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I liked where he was going with her, until he just sort of stopped. It feels like he kind of gave up on certain aspects at some point toward the end. Considering how much buildup there was and how much of ep4 belonged to Ange, you'd figure it would be going somewhere else. While some people might call it crazy, I think he could have stretched out 1998 a lot more. Not necessarily through more flashbacks, of course. I don't see why anything really had to be resolved in the way it was by the end there.

She's a very intellectual character, in contrast to Battler, yet is ironically less emotionally stable than he is (even though he's more emotionally expressive). I was hoping for more narration from her point of view.
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Old 2010-04-13, 19:58   Link #12
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Im thinking Ange can be compared to Shion in Higurashi. In Higurashi we didnt get a great widespread look at her until she got her own arc that was included in the first season of the anime. I kinda see Ange as incomplete as Shion was in the Higurashi arc she was introduced in. Im sure in one of the upcoming games we'll get a great look at her and she will be totally flushed out. Until then she is still the best of the Ushiromiyas.
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Anyway, I think that Ange is the character that got terribly mistaken due to how her past was written (let's face it: the way how it was redundant at times had an impact on the appreciation of the character as a whole for some reason), which rather leaves to some misunderstanding I guess.

Personally, I think she is one of the most interesting and intricate characters of the franchise. Part of it is of course how she had it rough, but I personally was more interested by her mindset growing over time. [...]
I guess you are right that the first part of EP4 was overdoing what it was meant to accomplish but I think there is more to this problem. I thought about this for a while because I was always irritated how much controversy the interpretation of this character was causing in the community.

As this train of thoughts got a little longer as intended I will put this in spoilers to avoid wall of text annoyance for those not so interested this kind of meta stuff

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Old 2010-04-18, 23:51   Link #14
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In retrospect, I think I dislike Ange, but when I read through her story, I don't find it lagging or dull. I enjoyed it as much as the rest of Umineko. So I guess I'm torn on her. I expect to see some more of her later on.

Perhaps the lack of emotional expressions for her is why people consider her 'emo'.
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Old 2010-10-11, 18:30   Link #15
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I think Klash and Digdri hit the nail on the head. And Ange's my top fav Umineko character. Being the 'Witch of Ressurection' is impressive in its own right.
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Old 2010-10-14, 16:04   Link #16
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I think Ange was a pretty good character but I felt her story dragged on a bit. I guess that's why I only read episode 4 once, XD
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Old 2010-10-14, 19:52   Link #17
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Ange is okay. She's definitely better than Erika and Bern IMO. But she's not so great than what she used to be hyped up to be. Everyone loved her and was making such a big deal out of her, kinda like Erika before EP 5 was released only I actually like Ange.

Ange is good. Just not da bess. :3
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Old 2010-10-14, 20:05   Link #18
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According to this female character flowchart. (which doesn't list the brother complex as a character trope) Ange is either a "Michelle Rodriguez", a "Mary Sue", or an "Ideal woman". Hmmmmmmm....

But in all seriousness despite how much her story can drag on Ange is pretty tough and I think she has more going for her than a lot of female characters. Hey! at least she has conflict!
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woops! I forgot people doubt episode 4's end roll! She could also be a "Strong female character". And that's "strong" implying she's tough not strong as in well developed.
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Old 2010-10-25, 06:50   Link #20
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When I knew her story, I didn't thought much of her delusions and magical friends. To me, she's a lonely girl. She and her aunt didn't went well, her beloved brother and parents died, and she had problems in her class.

I liked her personality, the silent but bold type. She's dilligent as well and sort of like a detective to me. Her theories aren't bad. I need more development from her though. Like being able to make friends and have a happy like unlike her sad and lonely life.
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