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Old 2010-03-02, 22:57   Link #1041
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how different is NoN to the main series?
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Old 2010-03-03, 01:20   Link #1042
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how different is NoN to the main series?
Totaly different) New charachters, new plotline, new history.
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Old 2010-03-03, 01:34   Link #1043
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Totaly different) New charachters, new plotline, new history.
Well, kind of. It's more like extremely, extremely altered and cris-crossed characters. It's not my particular cup of tea.
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Old 2010-03-03, 09:26   Link #1044
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Well, kind of. It's more like extremely, extremely altered and cris-crossed characters. It's not my particular cup of tea.
If they make a new 'alternate' history. Thank Jashin. And hire some decent historians next time to give some more plausible explanations.

No more Benjamin Franklin is a traitor bull. CLAMP and Sunrise should be thankful their asses haven't been sued.
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Old 2010-03-03, 12:35   Link #1045
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No more Benjamin Franklin is a traitor bull. CLAMP and Sunrise should be thankful their asses haven't been sued.
Hu?
It's fiction, and pretty harmless.
Now, I have no idea of the Japanese laws on this issue, but I highly doubt anyone could have successfully taken that to court.
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Old 2010-03-03, 12:38   Link #1046
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... yeah, if its illegal to portray Ben Franklin as a traitor in an alternate timeline, I suppose we'll have to end the Dr. McNinja webcomic for portraying Franklin was a clone, huh?
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Old 2010-03-03, 15:07   Link #1047
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Franklin WAS a traitor in real life. The actions of most of those American patriots were treason towards the English crown. So, portraying him as a traitor in CG isn't something out of the ordinary considering in their timeline the American Revolution failed. So, today none of the founding fathers are considered traitors because the Americans won the war, but had Britain won then they would've been executed for treason and we'd be reading about these guys as traitors, like the people in CG...
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Old 2010-03-03, 17:38   Link #1048
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As Revolutionist usually does, he portrays everything in a unique light that also shines truth. Bravo, Revolutionist.

Can we get back to the Code Geass Projects, now? About to steer seriously off topic.
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Old 2010-03-03, 19:00   Link #1049
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If they make a new 'alternate' history. Thank Jashin. And hire some decent historians next time to give some more plausible explanations.

No more Benjamin Franklin is a traitor bull. CLAMP and Sunrise should be thankful their asses haven't been sued.
If you're at all interested in fanfiction, then the story Megiddo actually addresses and subverts this issue rather nicely, as the author himself notes that he was similarly irked by the idea of Franklin betraying the colonies.

If you don't want to read through the entire story to find it, then the scene that explains it is the first scene of chapter 11.

At the risk of beating a dead horse, I have to say that the author has put together a rather comprehensive alternate timeline that handles all of the deviations from the original CG and handily improves upon them.
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Old 2010-03-03, 22:02   Link #1050
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Wait, in the official cannon Ben Franlin betrays the colonies? If that's the case I feel like a moron for my above post >_>
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Old 2010-03-03, 22:24   Link #1051
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Wait, in the official cannon Ben Franlin betrays the colonies? If that's the case I feel like a moron for my above post >_>
Yeah, the official CG canon says that the Duke of Britannia bought Franklin over with a noble title (Earl if I recall) as well as land and money. As a result Franklin did not go to France to enlist their aid in the colonies' revolution, preventing France from helping the colonies and allowing Britannia to crush Washington's army.

This kept the colonies under Britannia's control and allowed the monarchy to survive the revolutions that would later sweep Europe, as they were able to flee to the Americas and reestablish themselves there.
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Old 2010-03-04, 00:58   Link #1052
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Let me just say that if America was at all concerned about fictional works defacing their national historical figures this would never have been published.



And they're makin' a movie out of this shit. Fuck yes.

But yeah, back to new CG project talk.
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Old 2010-03-04, 05:44   Link #1053
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Let me just say that if America was at all concerned about fictional works defacing their national historical figures this would never have been published.



And they're makin' a movie out of this shit. Fuck yes.

But yeah, back to new CG project talk.
Oddly enough, that sounds worthwhile in a hilarious way. Ah Tim Burton. Your taste never ceases to amaze me.

But what really ticks me off is the way they went about it with the official canon supposedly being Benjamin Franklin selling out for a title. This was completely unnecessary when there are so many other ways it could have gone wrong.

Here are a few according to Thomas Fleming
1. The British plan working in Bunker Hill due to John Stark failing to recognise the importance of the beach and better scouting from the British Admiral
2. If the British had successfully trapped Washington's Army in Long Island or Manhatten
3. Captain Ferguson kills George Washington in 1777
4. If Washington failed in attacking Trenton or Princeton leading to the surrender of various states including Delaware and New York
5. British Army escapes from Yorktown due to more favourable weather.
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Old 2010-03-04, 05:49   Link #1054
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However, all of that doesn't really fit with the CG universe's ongoing theme about people and deceptions, which is why they went with ol' Ben betraying Washington.
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Old 2010-03-04, 13:48   Link #1055
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Perhaps Ben was Geassed into betraying the colonies, with the title as the official excuse. Not to mention that other important patriots could also have been geassed...
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Old 2010-03-04, 14:48   Link #1056
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Revolutionist has a point. Geass effects the minds and the outcome of things. Since Geass exists, it is possible that they were affected by some kind of geass. Though this is hardly the place for the discussion.

Since we talking about history, would it go into that thread, or maybe generic?

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Old 2010-03-04, 18:55   Link #1057
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Perhaps Ben was Geassed into betraying the colonies, with the title as the official excuse. Not to mention that other important patriots could also have been geassed...
Possible, but unlikely. In a season one booklet there is a discussion between Lelouch and C.C. where C.C. comments that Ben was "too gentle" and vaguely implies part of his willingness to accept the bribe may have come from the fact that he didn't approve of war and was presumably convinced that if he went to France, the fighting would only be prolonged needlessly.

I don't know how accurate this portrayal is with the real Franklin, but this implies that he did do it willingly in the CG universe.
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Old 2010-03-05, 21:20   Link #1058
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Revolutionist has a point. Geass effects the minds and the outcome of things. Since Geass exists, it is possible that they were affected by some kind of geass. Though this is hardly the place for the discussion.

Since we talking about history, would it go into that thread, or maybe generic?
It's a speculation as of now. But I'd wish they confirmed it as canon so this bullshit would have some semblance of respectability.
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Old 2010-03-14, 14:18   Link #1059
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It's going to like Gundam totally different era, new characters, but same powers.
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Old 2010-03-15, 01:55   Link #1060
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So wait it's the same characters now? Or is this more speculation
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