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Old 2010-03-12, 08:32   Link #6081
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The plot is probably going to develop in Hayate's brother's direction. Cross shaped scar on his head = Shiranui?
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Old 2010-03-12, 10:36   Link #6082
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I can understand your disappointment, but - for what little it's worth - having Athena leave now in this noble way actually _increases_ her end-run chances in my book.
Nah, it's not really disappointment because she's not going to break the series and win at this point in time, since I strongly argued that they weren't going to become a couple either. It's the idea of "goodbye forever" that makes me sort of sad, because Athena is one of the main reasons I read this series. I love the Nagi and Hayate interactions too, but those are only rarely as serious as they were in this arc.

Also, I wasn't really singling you out, honest. You might have been one of the ones arguing for Athena's selfishness, but you're hardly the only one that dislikes her for those reasons.
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Old 2010-03-12, 13:24   Link #6083
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Oh my God ...
At last, this tiring, boring week was coming to an end and then, I read THAT!
I hate this chapter ...
I cannot accept this kind of ending for A-tan!
Well, that is a so noble sacrifice, nevertheless, if she thinks Nagi can be a better girlfriend for Hayate than herself, she should right now call the police because it is a clear crime of pedophilia!

Ok, I will wait for Hayate's answer.

By the way, I at last read some older chapters which were not easy to find on the web, and I came to the conclusion that Hayate is able to go through the past (and maybe the future) because of the power of Royalty Nagi's mother used.
Yukariko did something to protect Nagi and for some unknown reason, Hayate was chosen to be her shield.
Moreover, I saw a picture of Nagi's father. He looks like somebody we know, don't you thnik so?

Argh!
Please Hayate, do not let A-tan leave like that!
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Old 2010-03-12, 14:40   Link #6084
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I don't think the author will simply let Athena leave just like that, for there are some things that haven't been covered yet:

1) What happened to Hayate's bro
2) Maria's connection to Athena and Hayate

At the very least this needs to be answered, so Athena will be staying for quite a while IMHO.
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Old 2010-03-12, 15:17   Link #6085
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This is the gutsiest thing that Hata has ever done. Sure, there are more gutsy things (like moving towards Hayate X ANYONE), but this is at least a movement somewhere. At the rate Hata is building up popularity around all the girls, and keeping them all involved, this will turn into a lame, open ended Harem ending.

Not saying I liked it (I like Athena a lot), but I'd rather Hata send Athena packing rather than adding her to the harem and keeping the status quo with silly gags. Either send her away or start getting Hayate married; that's the way a manga should go rather than milking character popularity.

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I don't think the author will simply let Athena leave just like that, for there are some things that haven't been covered yet:

1) What happened to Hayate's bro
2) Maria's connection to Athena and Hayate

At the very least this needs to be answered, so Athena will be staying for quite a while IMHO.
This can be answered through other characters, though.
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Old 2010-03-12, 15:38   Link #6086
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well we still dont know hayates anwer.... Athena says goodbye... but hayate didnt answer to this.... he waited soooo long for the to meet her... so he might make her come so she wont be alone...

Right now we see goodbye hayate... but its only athena talk... hayate must say what he thinks... at least confess his feelings like he held to the (I love her...) for all this time...

I dont want A-tan to disappear like that... becouse she shows funny emotions (like with that hair going into "??" and big eyes [Eee?] as she asked the question what person is his mistress...)... she is more energetic and lively...

so personaly part of the manga for me will die as she disappers and gets replaced with Nagi (she is boring for me..... and her "love" reaks of pedophilia....), and again another good, cute character (a-tan) with big boobs disappears >__> and we will stick with all those boards again....

from now on I kinda dont see where the manga will go and what new it can give withotu repeateing over and over and over the same thing.... A-tan gived something new....... while from nagis point I kinda dont see any new stuff

its just my personaly opinion everyone has their own...... but I dont like the pairing NagixHayate... first its a crime... its boring... there are other more interesting girls...
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Old 2010-03-12, 15:49   Link #6087
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Uhm, as I said all over the place (here and MF, though mostly MF), Athena is too important to leave.

Reasons:

1. Needs to repay Nagi (some view this as a must, while I don't really consider it something important, but.. well, it's a reason.. haha +1)
2. Hayate needs to find out her true feelings, and confess to her
3. She has a past with Maria, that without her presence can't be properly revealed. Or can it?
4. She was all alone for these 10 years. People only saw her for her money, and wanted only that. She was constantly betrayed. Wouldn't it be time for her to make some real friends?
5. HnG is getting stale. Athena is a good change.

Let me fix something for you, tea-tan. You said: "This is the gutsiest thing Hata has ever done.". Well, no, it isn't. What would be harder is to actually use her as a member of the usual cast from now on, and keeping it together!

Removing her does nothing. Everything returns to what it was, except for Nagi's situation, but that will be solved some way... Hayate fixed his problem, and only Hina, Sakuya, Isumi, and.. I can't think of who else know about it. Nothing changes. Especially not with Hina, since if Hayate doesn't find out Athena's feelings, Hina won't be able to do anything, or do you think that she might go for it if Athena doesn't answer? Like, it's her loss, right?

6. Umm, I'm basically repeating 2. here, but Hayate still needs to confess.
7. Cinderella parody (credit to Ken-chan, and whomever came up with it first) - The clock struck midnight, Hayate still has Athena's ring (the one he gave her when they were kids). Think of the ring as the shoe. Hmhm...

What else? Hmm...

Well, 8. could be that she's connected to Hayate's brother, and would be nice of her to see him again, and properly thank him, eh? I wonder how much he's changed over 10 years.... (don't tell me that he's really Shiranui.. lol.. absurd...).

9. Oh, let's not forget Izumi. She kissed Hayata, and Athena might recognize her, and start something interesting. Hehehe.... I'd certainly like to see that!

Well, I don't know what else to add at the moment. I just think that she'd be a refreshing new addition to the cast.

Hata can always come up with some way to deter Hayate and Athena from going in a relationship, right? A personality change, perhaps the promise he made to Nagi to watch over her forever? Or what if Nagi would have to allow it first? And you know how stubborn she is, and how much she likes Hayate...

Maybe something else? Hmmm....
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Old 2010-03-12, 15:54   Link #6088
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so rah why did you and pretty much every active poster on MF just get banned? xD

oh yeah btw...I bet when they return to Japan Nagi's home will be sealed or something
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Old 2010-03-12, 15:56   Link #6089
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I think you misread what I meant by "gutsy". From some standpoints, it's the easy way out (keeping a series going is harder than letting it end). However, if the editorial notes and Hata's consistent breaking of the fourth wall say anything, he desperately want(ed)s to keep the series going. Dropping Athena can be a step away from the status quo, or it might be one backwards.

For Hata, whose previous patterns of behavior shows hints of maintaining the status quo in order to throw out more gags and keep Hayate serialized, a step towards ending the series would be gutsy.

Btw, do you really understand the suffix "tan"? I don't understand it, I assume it's a very informal one but I haven't found a very specific explanation anywhere yet.
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Old 2010-03-12, 15:57   Link #6090
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Uhm, as I said all over the place (here and MF, though mostly MF), Athena is too important to leave.

Reasons:

1. Needs to repay Nagi (some view this as a must, while I don't really consider it something important, but.. well, it's a reason.. haha +1)
2. Hayate needs to find out her true feelings, and confess to her
3. She has a past with Maria, that without her presence can't be properly revealed. Or can it?
4. She was all alone for these 10 years. People only saw her for her money, and wanted only that. She was constantly betrayed. Wouldn't it be time for her to make some real friends?
5. HnG is getting stale. Athena is a good change.

Let me fix something for you, tea-tan. You said: "This is the gutsiest thing Hata has ever done.". Well, no, it isn't. What would be harder is to actually use her as a member of the usual cast from now on, and keeping it together!

Removing her does nothing. Everything returns to what it was, except for Nagi's situation, but that will be solved some way... Hayate fixed his problem, and only Hina, Sakuya, Isumi, and.. I can't think of who else know about it. Nothing changes. Especially not with Hina, since if Hayate doesn't find out Athena's feelings, Hina won't be able to do anything, or do you think that she might go for it if Athena doesn't answer? Like, it's her loss, right?

6. Umm, I'm basically repeating 2. here, but Hayate still needs to confess.
7. Cinderella parody (credit to Ken-chan, and whomever came up with it first) - The clock struck midnight, Hayate still has Athena's ring (the one he gave her when they were kids). Think of the ring as the shoe. Hmhm...

What else? Hmm...

Well, 8. could be that she's connected to Hayate's brother, and would be nice of her to see him again, and properly thank him, eh? I wonder how much he's changed over 10 years.... (don't tell me that he's really Shiranui.. lol.. absurd...).

9. Oh, let's not forget Izumi. She kissed Hayata, and Athena might recognize her, and start something interesting. Hehehe.... I'd certainly like to see that!

Well, I don't know what else to add at the moment. I just think that she'd be a refreshing new addition to the cast.

Hata can always come up with some way to deter Hayate and Athena from going in a relationship, right? A personality change, perhaps the promise he made to Nagi to watch over her forever? Or what if Nagi would have to allow it first? And you know how stubborn she is, and how much she likes Hayate...

Maybe something else? Hmmm....
That's a good point, if Athena just leaves that will leave Hina in a lurch with Hayate, while Athena staying will facilitate resolutions between Hina and Hayate. People seem to forget that there are multiple dynamics at work here and not just one set of character interactions.
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Old 2010-03-12, 16:11   Link #6091
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I have no idea, tea-tan. And I really don't CARE. Hahahahah!!!

Anyway, don't think how he wants to orchestrate things, but how, if he goes through with it, he basically throws away all of the build up of the Greece arc. Eternal love for Athena, Eternal protection for Nagi. Nuff said...

Else he changed his mind. Eh, details. I just wanna see more people suffer.. Hahahah!!

Athena's presence would do exactly that! Nagi, Ayumu, Hina.. all down in the dumps!

Ahh... perfection!

Anyway, I think I've said all I wanted to say regarding that. We'll just have to see what Hayate does in 265, and that's that.

But Hayate is really a... eh, I don't have an appropriate word for him, but it's like all his desire to save her, to see her, to be with her, etc.. that was building up for the past 10 years has been reduced to ash!

He saved her, and he's satisfied? Come now, don't joke around! Confession time! Cinderella style on his knees!! Whahahah!!
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Old 2010-03-12, 16:15   Link #6092
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You're crazy. Your signature should've warned me.
yeah.. we'll see in one week. can't wait, this may cause me to drop the series...

btw, what did happen at MF?
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Old 2010-03-12, 17:22   Link #6093
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Athena's presence would do exactly that! Nagi, Ayumu, Hina.. all down in the dumps!

Ahh... perfection!

Anyway, I think I've said all I wanted to say regarding that. We'll just have to see what Hayate does in 265, and that's that.

But Hayate is really a... eh, I don't have an appropriate word for him, but it's like all his desire to save her, to see her, to be with her, etc.. that was building up for the past 10 years has been reduced to ash!

He saved her, and he's satisfied? Come now, don't joke around! Confession time! Cinderella style on his knees!! Whahahah!!
(1) Doesn't hurt one bit to have more competition to try and win Hayate over If Athena sticks around for awhile longer. That way, if they decide to end the series with Hina on top (no idea yet how he'll pull that one off), it will be that much sweeter (Even more perfect, but I'm showing alittle bias).

(2) If Hayate was interested in Athena, there's no way he would risk his life to save her just so they could part ways. If Hata has no room for Athena, slowly work her out of the series, not completely write her out in one or two chapters. But if Athena was Hayate's choice, He would of first saved her then confess on the spot.
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Old 2010-03-12, 20:12   Link #6094
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Well, the Greece arc was very enjoyable til the end with all Hayate and Athena moments I thought couldn't have happened. The waiting weeks after weeks with some stalling here and there was worth it. I don't mind if Athena were to have a temporarily disappearance with the comedy returns; my attention span could last for at least some weeks with the comedy chapters until I drop it again... If Athena were to disappear completely, I guess that's the end of me with this manga.

Hell, Don't even know her age yet, how can she be gone? That's bullshit =D

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But if Athena was Hayate's choice, He would of first saved her then confess on the spot.
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Old 2010-03-12, 21:13   Link #6095
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These next few chapters had better be significant. I really hope there isn't a major cliffhanger staring us in the face throughout the whole next ark.

That would suck.
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Old 2010-03-13, 00:42   Link #6096
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I agree that just dropping Athena at this point would suck, but as I said before, I don't know how can Hata keep Athena and the status quo at the same time, unless he decides to revert Hayate and Athena's relationship to just friendship - which would basically render most of this arc useless, in my opinion.

It'd be really gutsy of him to break the status quo, have Hayate get a girlfriend, and then have the other girls play another role, rather than possible love interests. However, I highly doubt his editors would allow him to do so, and I'm sure a good amount of fans wouldn't like it. So, I think it'd be quite understandable not to change the way things are, since in the end, this is his job.
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Old 2010-03-13, 03:04   Link #6097
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I think as others have said for now Athena should go out of the picture as her going back with Hayate to Japan would kind of bring up issues with the other girls.. already deciding a definite partner for him now would for me change this series a whole lot.

I'm a very big fan of hayate and athena though and hope she wouldn't be out forever, but appear sometime later in the series.
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Old 2010-03-13, 03:42   Link #6098
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IMO, there is no way A-Tan will not be back sooner or later.
There is ONE giant reason for that: to defeat the final boss, her powers are needed.
Mikado was and is playing with everybody like puppets, and it is clear for me his powers are something to be scared.
Moreover, A-Tan is the character who knows Maria's past and there is not a single chance the action will not take place one time again in the Royal Garden. And for that, A-tan must be here.

If I had to make a bet, I would say Hayate is not going to confess to A-Tan but he will invite her to Nagi's place ("You do not have any house anymore, so come with me! Ojou-sama is a very nice girl!").
I would like something like, when A-Tan will be looking at Nagi; "Oh, she is only a CHILD! I worried for NOTHING! I have got a good idea: let's adopt her, Hayate!"
It would be fun if A-Tan was not considering Nagi as a rival, but instead only looks at the other girls, who are quite a lot!
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Old 2010-03-13, 03:44   Link #6099
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I think as others have said for now Athena should go out of the picture as her going back with Hayate to Japan would kind of bring up issues with the other girls.. already deciding a definite partner for him now would for me change this series a whole lot.
the main issue here is that manga is already takeing long... and I dont see much of new stuff to draw that were not used by the author already..... what go back to japan like nothing happened and continue the peacefull life filled with comedy....... seriously im not native to expect soemthing like that becouse its impossible.... now hayate might suffer of parting with athena after he waited soooo logn for her.... and what after 1night puff 10years of waiting and no girlfriend go to shit.... seriosuly cutting out athena like that is just wrong

If she had no bigger role here than why the hell hata created her and the whole end of world arc if he was goting to toss her aside like that after such effort from hayates side...

personaly I think that cutting her out now will be even more devasteteing in result at the end....the "bring an issue with other girls".... so what now hayate will get even more along with the girls and at the end of series athena reapears and hell gets lose... it would be more human to make her stay in Japan and allow her witness hayates getting along with "lots" of girls.... so not only girls would develop but Athena herself would gain some knowlage and she herself would have to work hard to get hayates feelings (and not I was first so he is mine)


anyway there is still hope... I mean at the end athena says goodbye and im glad I was able to meet you again.... while hayte is kinda shocked and goes all "Eh !"
so here is a possibility that he will tell her to come becouse he doesnt want her to be alone or something..... so she tags along or she says that she will come to japan later...... so kinda all girls would gain development... and the best will win at the end....... since its kinda unfair that Nagi has huge ammount of money (I guess athena will call mikado to cancel the deal of destroying stones since hayate did not break the rule which says mistress destroying the stone XD) so she can afford stuff that normal people cant so hayate is happy..... while other girls like Ayumu or Hina as kinda poor dotn stand a chance here....

so for me it would be better if there were love rivals like rich vs rich + poor vs poor ^^ Nagi vs Athena and Ayumu vs Hina..... in order to get hayate..... it would be good if nagi had another super rich rival... that would show that money alone is not enought ^^ (so nagi would develop more... since there is older,cuter,richer,better body and super smart girl that wants hayate for herself :P so a powerfull enemy)
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Old 2010-03-13, 04:02   Link #6100
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So do I sense a 10-30 chapter long comedy cooldown arc? Seems that Hata wants to go back to light hearted stuff I suppose.

Though I wouldn't want HnG to become a 500+ chapter long (with like only 100+ serious chapters) comedy fest (which tends to be boring now).
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