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Old 2010-03-15, 05:03   Link #6541
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I'm not pinning this on you, by the way. I'm just pissed that the American media has so much bias for human stories.
Before being a ''humane'' story, I would have said than it's a ''private'' one , no? as it consern Tiger, his family an nobody else.
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Old 2010-03-15, 12:57   Link #6542
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It isn't about whether it's plausible or not, it's a thought experiment. Now, you agree that christian parents wouldn't like their children being exposed to it, and would take some sort of action? Why then should atheist parents accept what christian parents wouldn't?

Had this country been founded by the pizzeria bombers, Buddhists, or perhaps Hindus, said Christian parents would have to suck it up and accept the fact that the history of this country IS what it IS. Good luck going to Indonesia and telling them you don't want your kid hearing Allah's name. Had this country been founded by atheists, said Chistian parents would aLso have to suck it up, and tell little Johnny to stand up, be respectful of others, and keep his yap shut for 45 seconds or so every morning.
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Old 2010-03-15, 13:14   Link #6543
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Here's my take - why the hell are children at ages where they are more or less incapable of thinking for themselves being forced to pledge their allegiance to the country? Sounds like a bunch of horseshit to me, secular or religious.
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Old 2010-03-15, 15:07   Link #6544
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Had this country been founded by the pizzeria bombers, Buddhists, or perhaps Hindus, said Christian parents would have to suck it up and accept the fact that the history of this country IS what it IS. Good luck going to Indonesia and telling them you don't want your kid hearing Allah's name. Had this country been founded by atheists, said Chistian parents would aLso have to suck it up, and tell little Johnny to stand up, be respectful of others, and keep his yap shut for 45 seconds or so every morning.
The "under God" bit is a relatively recent addition, unrelated to the founding of your country. If it was added 50 years ago because of the cold war, it can be taken off now that it's over, can't it? Heck, you're supposedly a free, democratic country. Why would they have to "suck it up"? It's their right to campaign for whatever they want.

I'd also like to note that France is a Christian country. It's been called the [Roman Catholic] Church's little sister. But we sure as hell don't bring up God on every occasion.

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Here's my take - why the hell are children at ages where they are more or less incapable of thinking for themselves being forced to pledge their allegiance to the country? Sounds like a bunch of horseshit to me, secular or religious.
Agreed.
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Old 2010-03-15, 17:33   Link #6545
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Old 2010-03-15, 17:39   Link #6546
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Had this country been founded by the pizzeria bombers, Buddhists, or perhaps Hindus, said Christian parents would have to suck it up and accept the fact that the history of this country IS what it IS. Good luck going to Indonesia and telling them you don't want your kid hearing Allah's name. Had this country been founded by atheists, said Chistian parents would aLso have to suck it up, and tell little Johnny to stand up, be respectful of others, and keep his yap shut for 45 seconds or so every morning.
Yeah, I mean it's not like the founding fathers put something in the constitution forbidding the state from promoting one religion over others.
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Old 2010-03-15, 18:04   Link #6547
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Yeah, I mean it's not like the founding fathers put something in the constitution forbidding the state from promoting one religion over others.

The Constitution prevents the State (Federal government) but not the states. The right to establish, or disestablish, an offical religion for a state (little S) is totally within their rights. The Establishment Clause was written to prevent the Fed forcing a religion on the states. In the Everson ruling the SC flipped the original intent so now the Fed can force the states to do EXACTLY what the Clause was intended to protect them from.
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Old 2010-03-15, 18:13   Link #6548
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How is a state religion any less tyrannical towards individuals than a federal religion?
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Old 2010-03-15, 18:43   Link #6549
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Here's my take - why the hell are children at ages where they are more or less incapable of thinking for themselves being forced to pledge their allegiance to the country? Sounds like a bunch of horseshit to me, secular or religious.
My only issue with that is the "Under God" thing. As to the rest, it's so that they actually like the country they're living in.

And I mean America's not too horrible when you compare it to the rest of the world.
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Old 2010-03-15, 22:31   Link #6550
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Old 2010-03-15, 22:47   Link #6551
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The Constitution prevents the State (Federal government) but not the states. The right to establish, or disestablish, an offical religion for a state (little S) is totally within their rights. The Establishment Clause was written to prevent the Fed forcing a religion on the states. In the Everson ruling the SC flipped the original intent so now the Fed can force the states to do EXACTLY what the Clause was intended to protect them from.
Article 4 Section 2:

"The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states."

14th amendment section 1:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

In other words, states can't violate a right that the federal government grants its citizens. Thus, states cannot violate a person's right to freedom of religion anymore than the federal government can.
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Old 2010-03-15, 23:30   Link #6552
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The Constitution prevents the State (Federal government) but not the states. The right to establish, or disestablish, an offical religion for a state (little S) is totally within their rights. The Establishment Clause was written to prevent the Fed forcing a religion on the states. In the Everson ruling the SC flipped the original intent so now the Fed can force the states to do EXACTLY what the Clause was intended to protect them from.
I have no idea how you can claim that. Here is a direct quote (and my source):
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Originally Posted by Supreme Court Ruling (Everson)
The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion.
This also seems to pretty clearly explain that America cannot be a Christian nation. Instead people are free to worship as they choose, just like our founders intended.
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Old 2010-03-16, 00:29   Link #6553
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Top-name Japanese manga artists and animators protest the "fictional child pornography ban" legislature of Tokyo.
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20...00556-san-soci

Check out the amazing list. Here's some of the renouned names.


Fujiko Fujio A - legendary partner of late Fujiko F Fujio, and author of many classic masterpieces
Nagai Go - Devil Man, Cutey Honey, Mazinger series, and countless classic masterpieces
Saitoh Takao - Golgo 13
Adachi Mitsuru - Touch, Miyuki, H2
Takahashi Rumiko - Urusei Yatsura, Maison Ikkoku, Ranma, Inuyasha
Aoyama Goushou - Detective Conan (Case Closed), YAIBA
Motomiya Hiroshi - Otoko ippiki Gaki-daisho, Salaryman Kintaro
Chiba Tetsuya - Ashita no Joe
Kunitomo Yasuyuki - 10 billion yen man, JUNK BOY
Hirokane Kenshi - Shima Kousaku series
Kawaguchi Kaiji - Zipang, The Silent Service
Fujisawa Tooru - GTO
Itagaki Keisuke - Baki series
Hagio Moto - The Lost heart for Toma, The Clan of Poes
Akamatsu Ken - Love Hina, Negima
Watashiya Kaoru - Kodomo no Jikan
Imagawa Yasuhiro - Director of Giant Robo OVA, G Gundam, and the recent Shin Mazinger Z
Yasuhiko Yoshikazu - Character designer for the original Mobile Suits Gundam, Z Gundam, F91, Combattler V, Zambot, and many other classic anime

.... among others.

I mean, damn, what an impressive list.
First of all, you can't find a legend bigger than Fujiko A Fujio in the manga industry that's still alive today. And many others on the list are no less of a star, including Nagai Go, and Rumiko Takahashi.

I applaud the fine gentlemen and ladies of the industry voicing out their rights.
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Old 2010-03-16, 00:40   Link #6554
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now it's time for them to use AMERICAN style lobbying to stonewall or water down anti business and job killing bills
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Old 2010-03-16, 00:47   Link #6555
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Top-name Japanese manga artists and animators protest the "fictional child pornography ban" legislature of Tokyo.
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20...00556-san-soci

Check out the amazing list. Here's some of the renouned names.


Fujiko Fujio A - legendary partner of late Fujiko F Fujio, and author of many classic masterpieces
Nagai Go - Devil Man, Cutey Honey, Mazinger series, and countless classic masterpieces
Saitoh Takao - Golgo 13
Adachi Mitsuru - Touch, Miyuki, H2
Takahashi Rumiko - Urusei Yatsura, Maison Ikkoku, Ranma, Inuyasha
Aoyama Goushou - Detective Conan (Case Closed), YAIBA
Motomiya Hiroshi - Otoko ippiki Gaki-daisho, Salaryman Kintaro
Chiba Tetsuya - Ashita no Joe
Kunitomo Yasuyuki - 10 billion yen man, JUNK BOY
Hirokane Kenshi - Shima Kousaku series
Kawaguchi Kaiji - Zipang, The Silent Service
Fujisawa Tooru - GTO
Itagaki Keisuke - Baki series
Hagio Moto - The Lost heart for Toma, The Clan of Poes
Akamatsu Ken - Love Hina, Negima
Watashiya Kaoru - Kodomo no Jikan
Imagawa Yasuhiro - Director of Giant Robo OVA, G Gundam, and the recent Shin Mazinger Z
Yasuhiko Yoshikazu - Character designer for the original Mobile Suits Gundam, Z Gundam, F91, Combattler V, Zambot, and many other classic anime

.... among others.

I mean, damn, what an impressive list.
First of all, you can't find a legend bigger than Fujiko A Fujio in the manga industry that's still alive today. And many others on the list are no less of a star, including Nagai Go, and Rumiko Takahashi.

I applaud the fine gentlemen and ladies of the industry voicing out their rights.
I am surprised Kakifly or Matran Milan didn't join in the protest. So how is Azunyan supposed to be drawn in the future? Taller with boobs? What about Shizuku? A water snake?
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Old 2010-03-16, 00:50   Link #6556
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Top-name Japanese manga artists and animators protest the "fictional child pornography ban" legislature of Tokyo.
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20...00556-san-soci

Check out the amazing list. Here's some of the renouned names.


Fujiko Fujio A - legendary partner of late Fujiko F Fujio, and author of many classic masterpieces
Nagai Go - Devil Man, Cutey Honey, Mazinger series, and countless classic masterpieces
Saitoh Takao - Golgo 13
Adachi Mitsuru - Touch, Miyuki, H2
Takahashi Rumiko - Urusei Yatsura, Maison Ikkoku, Ranma, Inuyasha
Aoyama Goushou - Detective Conan (Case Closed), YAIBA
Motomiya Hiroshi - Otoko ippiki Gaki-daisho, Salaryman Kintaro
Chiba Tetsuya - Ashita no Joe
Kunitomo Yasuyuki - 10 billion yen man, JUNK BOY
Hirokane Kenshi - Shima Kousaku series
Kawaguchi Kaiji - Zipang, The Silent Service
Fujisawa Tooru - GTO
Itagaki Keisuke - Baki series
Hagio Moto - The Lost heart for Toma, The Clan of Poes
Akamatsu Ken - Love Hina, Negima
Watashiya Kaoru - Kodomo no Jikan
Imagawa Yasuhiro - Director of Giant Robo OVA, G Gundam, and the recent Shin Mazinger Z
Yasuhiko Yoshikazu - Character designer for the original Mobile Suits Gundam, Z Gundam, F91, Combattler V, Zambot, and many other classic anime

.... among others.

I mean, damn, what an impressive list.
First of all, you can't find a legend bigger than Fujiko A Fujio in the manga industry that's still alive today. And many others on the list are no less of a star, including Nagai Go, and Rumiko Takahashi.

I applaud the fine gentlemen and ladies of the industry voicing out their rights.
Politics is a slippery rope. Although this legislature is laudable, once passed, its ramifications can bring about a lot of sh***.
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Old 2010-03-16, 01:05   Link #6557
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Politics is a slippery rope. Although this legislature is laudable, once passed, its ramifications can bring about a lot of sh***.
your kidding right, animated 2d girls have more importance than real children being abused... yea that makes perfect sense, the same goes for unicef, they need to protect real children from exploitation not the imaginary ones.
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Old 2010-03-16, 01:10   Link #6558
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your kidding right, animated 2d girls have more importance than real children being abused... yea that makes perfect sense, the same goes for unicef, they need to protect real children from exploitation not the imaginary ones.
The important part of his implications is, if passed, the stupid bill could bring unimaginable damage to many industries for no good reason.
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Old 2010-03-16, 01:11   Link #6559
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Top-name Japanese manga artists and animators protest the "fictional child pornography ban" legislature of Tokyo.
http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20...00556-san-soci

Check out the amazing list. Here's some of the renouned names.


Fujiko Fujio A - legendary partner of late Fujiko F Fujio, and author of many classic masterpieces
Nagai Go - Devil Man, Cutey Honey, Mazinger series, and countless classic masterpieces
Saitoh Takao - Golgo 13
Adachi Mitsuru - Touch, Miyuki, H2
Takahashi Rumiko - Urusei Yatsura, Maison Ikkoku, Ranma, Inuyasha
Aoyama Goushou - Detective Conan (Case Closed), YAIBA
Motomiya Hiroshi - Otoko ippiki Gaki-daisho, Salaryman Kintaro
Chiba Tetsuya - Ashita no Joe
Kunitomo Yasuyuki - 10 billion yen man, JUNK BOY
Hirokane Kenshi - Shima Kousaku series
Kawaguchi Kaiji - Zipang, The Silent Service
Fujisawa Tooru - GTO
Itagaki Keisuke - Baki series
Hagio Moto - The Lost heart for Toma, The Clan of Poes
Akamatsu Ken - Love Hina, Negima
Watashiya Kaoru - Kodomo no Jikan
Imagawa Yasuhiro - Director of Giant Robo OVA, G Gundam, and the recent Shin Mazinger Z
Yasuhiko Yoshikazu - Character designer for the original Mobile Suits Gundam, Z Gundam, F91, Combattler V, Zambot, and many other classic anime

.... among others.

I mean, damn, what an impressive list.
First of all, you can't find a legend bigger than Fujiko A Fujio in the manga industry that's still alive today. And many others on the list are no less of a star, including Nagai Go, and Rumiko Takahashi.

I applaud the fine gentlemen and ladies of the industry voicing out their rights.
I don't get it.

For people like Watashiya Kaoru, it may be better if they remain quiet.

I even see about 5 or 6 people who participate Seiki no Quaser? WTF?
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Old 2010-03-16, 01:19   Link #6560
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The important part of his implications is, if passed, the stupid bill could bring unimaginable damage to many industries for no good reason.
yea but the idea that 2d kids are more important that real ones is still asinine. The implications of the passing of legislation isn't even dealing with the real issue of abuse of REAL children, but yea the point of the legislation bringing is true but the governments priorities are really out of place.
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