BlazBlue (Calamity Trigger, Continuum Shift, Chrono Phantasma)

[k//eternal]

Originally Posted by germanturkey

cause fighting games are always balanced according to canon but yeah, she was arguably the most broke character in CT. at most she'd be elevated to like b tier.

and tier whoring is fun. dunno what you're complaining about westlo

She's clearly just holding back this game after beating everyone up too easily last time.

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by germanturkey

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10324171

wut... 3:10ish

In case people don't know, that purple Rachel is Matsu, best Rachel player in the world. He's gotten alot of respect for staying with Rachel when everyone left for other characters but he continued to bring Rachel to higher levels.

EDIT: Seeing that there's Fio's Litchi and Keita's Tao at the end, there's almost no chance to win this tournament for Matsu.

[Sylphic]

Matsu is my hero. I've been watching a number of his videos and he just comes up with so many ways to try and even the match up and do as much damage as he can.

But seriously though, what is with CS and all these time outs. It takes 15+ minutes to finish a first to 3 match. This isn't the blazblue I signed up for!

[SilverSyko]

I take it CS Rachel's matchups against a CS Litchi or Tao is pretty horrific then.

Well maybe with the console re-balance she'll be improved to a point where people will want to pick her up again.

I'm not surprised that master-level fights could take a while. Those fellas always know when to guard, when to counter, have combos drilled deep into their brains and excecute them all with reflexes of lightning.

[C.A.]

Here's the matchup chart taken from Dustloops: http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showp...09&postcount=1



Simple way to look at this chart for those who don't understand is that, it is also the tier list, top to bottom. Bang on top, to Rachel at the bottom, and the top row is Bang on the left to Rachel to the right in the same order.

The numbers tell you how each character does against each other. Lets look at Rachel vs Bang, 35 - 65, meaning in 100 matches, Rachel will win 35 times and Bang will win 65 times.

As you can see, Rachel does badly against all characters, except for Arakune and Hazama at 50 - 50. She is solid bottom tier lol

Fio is the strongest Litchi who can corner and combo you from anywhere on the map and Keita the strongest Tao with mastery of the Taunt loop. These guys are the worse nightmares for even Matsu.

EDIT: for Arakune instead of Lambda

[Duo Maxwell]

Originally Posted by germanturkey

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm10324171

wut... 3:10ish

Now that's what I call beautiful. I finding myself mumbling "just a little more" when the combo was reaching near 100 number. What a shame at the result .

Bang and Hakumen is a big lolz, though.

[SilverSyko]

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8996266

I always said pink was a manly color, and this Ragna player proves me right 3 times in succession. =p

I'm wondering how bad this console re-balance is gonna affect the character's positions, and where Mu-12 will place in it...

Hope this doesn't split the fandom into arcade and console sides. ^^;

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Hope this doesn't split the fandom into arcade and console sides. ^^;

I believe Mori clarified on his Twitter that the balance changes on the console version will be patched to the arcade version.

[C.A.]

Originally Posted by Tokkan

I believe Mori clarified on his Twitter that the balance changes on the console version will be patched to the arcade version.

If that's the case, I think its finally worthwhile for me to buy a stick to train at home for arcades. SSFIV and my long break are more reasons for me to do so.

But I hope it won't be another tier switch again, making Rachel top tier and attract lots of players.

[germanturkey]

its not a completely new iteration, so i don't think we'll see changes like CT to CS. arakune mirrors should be banned.

[Soconfused]

Arakune should be banned from life. Worst FG character ever created.

[DragoonKain3]

Well, at least they got the nerf to Nu right. Lambda is right smack in the middle in terms of matchups.

[Westlo]

looking at that match up chart.. CS is still pretty horribly balanced.

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by Westlo

looking at that match up chart.. CS is still pretty horribly balanced.

65-35 being the max/min advantage/disadvantage in a match up is still miles ahead of CT's 80-20 match ups in terms of balance.

[DragoonKain3]

Actually, isn't that around the largest advantage SF4 has in terms of match-ups? I remember some 70-30 ones in SF4 (Hello Sagat?), so you can't call CS incredibly unbalanced unless you call SF4 one as well.

It's not perfect, but which fighter is? I'd take it.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

Actually, isn't that around the largest advantage SF4 has in terms of match-ups? I remember some 70-30 ones in SF4 (Hello Sagat?), so you can't call CS incredibly unbalanced unless you call SF4 one as well.

SFIV is the first version and has 25 fighters, console version just added underpowered characters and had nothing rebalanced period.

BB CS is the second version and has 14 fighters, is getting rebalanced for console as well as an additional fighter.

You can claim they're equal but you have to take those numbers into account.. and SSFIV with 35 characters from most accounts is even better balanced than SFIV. SSFIV Arcade will more than likely add a few characters as well as get tweaked as well, Arcade version is probably going to be DLC for console.

Sagat vs Claw is no longer 7-3 in Japan in top play. Izuna vortex works wonders on Sagat... still in Sagat's favour or course...

[Xion Valkyrie]

Originally Posted by Westlo

SFIV is the first version and has 25 fighters, console version just added underpowered characters and had nothing rebalanced period.

BB CS is the second version and has 14 fighters, is getting rebalanced for console as well as an additional fighter.

You can claim they're equal but you have to take those numbers into account.. and SSFIV with 35 characters from most accounts is even better balanced than SFIV. SSFIV Arcade will more than likely add a few characters as well as get tweaked as well, Arcade version is probably going to be DLC for console.

Sagat vs Claw is no longer 7-3 in Japan in top play. Izuna vortex works wonders on Sagat... still in Sagat's favour or course...

Yeah but a lot of those 25 fighters are just different variations of each other. Whereas each fighter in BB is so different that they could have come from different fighting games.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by Xion Valkyrie

Yeah but a lot of those 25 fighters are just different variations of each other. Whereas each fighter in BB is so different that they could have come from different fighting games.

This isn't 1994 anymore, Ken isn't a headswap of Ryu so 2P can also play as "Ryu" against a P1 Ryu. There's a reason people like me keep playing as Ken in SFIV even though he's vastly inferior to Ryu, the playstyle is different. None of the incoming 10 fighters in Super play like any of the existing 25 cast members as well..

[Nerroth]

I got the PSP version earlier in the week.


So far, I ran through the story mode (not quite 100%, though) as well as the arcade modes for Noel, Tao and chichinohito, a Legion campaign in easy mode, plus the odd versus and training bout.


I'm not a big fighting game-r, so I got this more to enter the BlayzeBloo shopping setting - and I was not disappointed! The backdrop is very compelling, most of the characters are interesting to follow, plus I like how different (so far) the story told in the Arcade Mode for a character is distinct from the branches in the Story Mode levels.

I'm really hoping there'll be a version of the sequel for the PSP.


There are a few things I'd like to figure out, though.

Spoiler for Qs:

*Is there a BB timeline around?

*Is Ragna a daywalker, as opposed to being a full vampire? (He seems to be able to eat, plus Tao doesn't pick up death on him the way she did for Rachel).

*Is there any part of alternate-Jin's physical form in Hakumen's body, or is Hakumen essentially the equivalent of an eldar Wraithlord - in that it's a fully separate construct implanted with a soul?

*If Hakumen - or at least, the Susano'o unit with alternate-Jin's soul - is only meant to be created in the 'present', how did he fight the Dark War as one of the Six Heroes?

*Does anyone know what Tao's names for Tsubaki, Mu-12 and Hazama are?

*When Hakumen gives his pre-fight spiel in the Arcade Mode, he says 'I am such-and-such'... and one of the phrases sounds like he's saying 'I am Jin!'. Is that a coincidence, or does the text which comes up in the Japanese version for that bit read the same as the way one would read Jin's name?

Also, I noticed something when re-watching the opening chapter of the story mode.

Spoiler for CT/CS thing:

When Noel is shown after the city is blasted, a similar kind of giant sword thing to what Mu-13 has is planted into the ground beside her. Would I be right in guessing that is the Azure Grimoire which would turn her into Mu-12, if/when she is brought into contact with it?

[SilverSyko]

Originally Posted by Nerroth

Spoiler for Qs:

*Is Ragna a daywalker, as opposed to being a full vampire? (He seems to be able to eat, plus Tao doesn't pick up death on him the way she did for Rachel).

*Is there any part of alternate-Jin's physical form in Hakumen's body, or is Hakumen essentially the equivalent of an eldar Wraithlord - in that it's a fully separate construct implanted with a soul?

*Does anyone know what Tao's names for Tsubaki, Mu-12 and Hazama are?

Spoiler for Reply, CS spoilers:

Ragna is not a full vampire and does not have any vampiric instincts. The only evidence he was ever bitten by Rachel is his heterochemia in which one of his eyes turned red.

Noone knows whether Hakumen has ever retained any physical traits of Jin. He did take his mask off at one point but we never saw what was there.

The only one known right now is Hazama's. I believe she calls him "green guy".

Spoiler for CT/CS thing:

When Noel is shown after the city is blasted, a similar kind of giant sword thing to what Mu-13 has is planted into the ground beside her. Would I be right in guessing that is the Azure Grimoire which would turn her into Mu-12, if/when she is brought into contact with it?

Spoiler for Reply, CS spoilers.:

Correction, it's NU-13.

Noel is the bearer of the true Azure. She doesn't need an Azure Grimoire as she already has the power herself. It also allows her "eyes" to see the master unit Amaterasu sealed inside the Boundary. Hazama/Terumi only tampered with it and created the ultimate Murakumo unit Mu-12 to wield Kusanagi "the sword that slays the gods" to destroy Amaterasu.