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View Poll Results: Who’s Under the Mask?
Madara 104 32.91%
Madara’s Son 14 4.43%
Madara’s Clone 30 9.49%
Madara’s Ghost/Soul/Poltergeist given shape... 33 10.44%
Obito 59 18.67%
Obito’s Body, but not really Obito... 55 17.41%
Someone else’s body (not Obito’s)... 21 6.65%
Zetsu’s Love Child... 23 7.28%
Tobirama/Sarutobi/or anyone with a 'tobi' in their name... 16 5.06%
Bruce Wayne or other… 69 21.84%
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Old 2010-04-14, 23:51   Link #21
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Since he refers to himself as Madara, it's only obvious to assume he is until proven otherwise.
Well duh. As stated in the intro, this thread is discuss theories, and while Tobi calling himself Madara is a fact, there are plenty of indiscrepancies that point to something going on. Whether that means Tobi is Madara is always possible, but there is more than enough loose ends for Kishimoto to wow us when "who's behind the mask" is finally revealed.

Consequently, this thread will act as a way of exploring the several popular theories (not including Danzou, since he is now confirmed dead...or is he? ), without going over the same theories in the various weekly chapter threads (or do you not recall the multiple Obito=Madara discussions that occur nearly every time Madara is in a chapter?).


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That being said this topic is about as useful as a "Who is Naruto?" topic.
That's a fairly silly comparison. Naruto, as the main character, had/has certain mysteries, but he was never literally hidden from view, nor has he ever acted like anyone but himself. The closest comparable topics would be the now defunct "Did Itachi really kill his clan because he is evil?" threads, since those were theories based on unknown information, save for what the "villain" in question says happened.
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Old 2010-04-15, 00:51   Link #22
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Maybe Tobi is a resurrected Madara, created by somebody using Edo Tensei. It would explain why he's still alive, and probably why he's merely a shadow of his former self (if there is quality reduction). This way, maybe Kabuto was summoning another Madara, basically saying: "You want to play games? I can play games, too." Tobi's surprised (and slightly shocked) face may be due to the fact that he didn't know there could be multiple resurrections of one and the same person. However, given the fact, that a person is revived by using another body, I don't exclude it from the possible.

The only questions remaining would be who summoned Madara, what happened to that person, and why does this Madara only have one Sharingan (or does he)?
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Old 2010-04-15, 01:29   Link #23
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What if Orochimaru made experiments with both Madara's and Shodai's cells and somehow created this Madara? It would make clear why Kabuto knows so much and it would make Orochimaru a much bigger villain than before. The maker.
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Old 2010-04-15, 12:38   Link #24
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LOOK! even Kakashi said so that

Kakashi : "Considering his plan, I doubt it could be anyone else"


Haha it looks like Kakashi is with us!! kakashi is an obito fan! haha.... joke.....

anyways..... I believe with kakashi.... because as we all know Madara is supposed to be an avenger not a peace maker.... that maybe the reason why kakashi said that....

Kabuto : you go by madara these days.. dont you???


If you can see in this 2nd picture of mine..... Kabuto said "I would come greet you, Tobi"

now why would he said tobi in the first place when he know he is the real madara??? then he said you go by madara this days after saying tobi?
isnt that supposed to be suspicious??

and this picture is also a clue...
Spoiler for too big:
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Old 2010-04-15, 12:43   Link #25
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and this picture is also a clue...
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That could be hinting at anything, really. It could be Madara's one weakness or something, rather than his identity.

But, yeah, I think the whole "You go by Madara, these days", seems to suggest something.
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The first picture you're showing us doesn't support the idea that Tobi is not Madara. In fact it supports the exact opposite, by Kakashi asuming that Tobi is Madara.

As for the second picture, yeah, I think that is the strongest hint towards Tobi not being who he claims to be, at the moment.
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Old 2010-04-15, 12:46   Link #27
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But, yeah, I think the whole "You go by Madara, these days", seems to suggest something.
I just took it as a joke reference to the fact that Kabuto only knew the man as foolish Tobi. Not that he believes that Tobi is not Madara...

The last pictures definitely supports the various theories that Madara could be lying, but not the previous 2.
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Old 2010-04-15, 12:50   Link #28
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I just took it as a joke reference to the fact that Kabuto only knew the man as foolish Tobi. Not that he believes that Tobi is not Madara...
You beat me to it. The only thing that picture suggests is that Kabuto actually thought he was a guy named Tobi, and he probably didn't know a thing about Madara.

According to the next picture however he does have intel on Madara, and it's important enough that he can blackmail him with it. Personally I assume he got this knowledge from Orochimaru, but even then it's a stretch.
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Old 2010-04-15, 12:51   Link #29
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Hey!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found something cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The sage toad said that one of jiraiya's pupil is the prophecy child right!!!?????

I really think that tobi is one of jiraiya's student!!!

Look!!!



ONE of this two could be TOBI!!!!

And I think Tobi is the prophecy child!!!

I think Tobi is using the akatsuki and this war to unite all countries!!

because if you would look!

the five countries are supposed to be enemies to each other....

and what they are now!?

they are all allies helping each other!!

this could be it!!

I think Tobi is copying Lelouch britania From code geass!!

THE ONE WITH THE ORANGE HEAD BAND! I THINK THAT IS TOBI...
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Old 2010-04-15, 12:52   Link #30
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I just took it as a joke reference to the fact that Kabuto only knew the man as foolish Tobi. Not that he believes that Tobi is not Madara..
Yeah but his expression is all srsbsns. He usually smirks doesn't he?
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Old 2010-04-15, 13:24   Link #31
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THE ONE WITH THE ORANGE HEAD BAND! I THINK THAT IS TOBI...
That's a girl...
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Old 2010-04-15, 13:26   Link #32
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Lol. Tobi's a good girl boy.
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Old 2010-04-15, 13:27   Link #33
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Obviously the slit eye guy is Tobi. He probably had surgery to change his skin color, and kept his eyes closed all the time to hide his sharingan
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Old 2010-04-15, 13:29   Link #34
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it looks a boy to me...

how'd you guys know that its a girl???? it really looks like a boy to me...
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Old 2010-04-15, 13:29   Link #35
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Obviously the slit eye guy is Tobi. He probably had surgery to change his skin color, and kept his eyes closed all the time to hide his sharingan
Or maybe he just closed his eyes when the photo was taken...

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it looks a boy to me...

how'd you guys know that its a girl???? it really looks like a boy to me...
Considering pretty much EVERY team has had one female in the group, I think it's pretty safe to say it's a girl.
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Old 2010-04-15, 13:38   Link #36
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Or maybe he just closed his eyes when the photo was taken...
LOL!
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Considering pretty much EVERY team has had one female in the group, I think it's pretty safe to say it's a girl.
yeah... but if you would look.... there are more boys ninja than girls in konoha...... thats why every team has a girl.....

try to imagine that many girls have graduated to a ninja than the boys... will the 2boy 1 girl still be there???

In raikage land....
the team of.... I forgot the name... anyways his team has 2 girls and 1 boy.....

I FOUND SOMETHING! THIS IS AN ALL BOYS GROUP LOOK!
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Old 2010-04-15, 13:45   Link #37
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Spoiler for Obito theory:

I think Tobi is actualy the sage of the six paths, thats why he want's the juubi so he can make himself young again.
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Spoiler for Obito theory:
"There goes my excuse for tardiness" - Lol. XD

Oh yeah, that reminds me. So does having Obito's eye actually cause Kakashi to have some of Obito's personality? If so, does that mean then that Sasuke will become more of a pacifist now that he had Itachis eyes transplanted?
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^LOL, it's not "The Eye" or the Treehouse of Horror episode "Hell Toupée", getting organ transplants do not cause your personality to mimic the original organs body.

But, if you need evidence, just look at Madara. He was a pseudo-dictator before the EMS, and he became far worse after he gained the EMS.
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Old 2010-04-15, 17:43   Link #40
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I somehow believe that Obito is somehow involved in the whole Tobi/Madara thing. I also think that Rin has to do with it as well because, face it, she is clearly dead and we haven't had any mention of how she died or how it affected Kakashi.

But back to Obito, you'll notice that Obito and Tobi share many similarities in appearance. I also don't really think that Tobi's extravagant personality before his fight with Sasuke was all an act. Why would he need to act like that, why would he need to "join" his own organization, and why would he have been the underling of Zetsu if he was as powerful as he is now?

Another thing, Tobi only began to act as Madara after his fight with Sasuke. After Deidara used his suicide attack that wiped out the whole forest, Tobi is then seen in the Land of Rain talking to Pain and Konan. I don't know about you guys, but I think this is an important element to consider when thinking about Tobi.
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