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Old 2010-05-02, 02:44   Link #2021
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I'm not sure if it's Hayate who CAN'T use it, or CHOOSES not to. She's more focused on extra-long-range bombardment after all. And she's already proven that Diabolic Emission is a more effective mid-range anti-personnel spell than Blutiger Dolch is, being an indiscriminate spatial attack and all.
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Old 2010-05-02, 03:54   Link #2022
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I look at it this way. You have a kid... who has been given an entire arsenal of Super-Soakers. Will said kid start spamming the big guns first or the small ones?

Hayate's magical training was not a normal one. It's only human nature to use the flashier and bigger spells, combat efficiency be damned. Then StrikerS chained her to a desk job, so she didn't receive much practical training then either.

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Old 2010-05-02, 04:21   Link #2023
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Ah, that's some logic I can work with.
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Old 2010-05-02, 04:51   Link #2024
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Well, it's actually said that Hayate having her linker-core expanded by the YnS screwed up her control even farther.
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Old 2010-05-02, 06:30   Link #2025
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Well, it's strange that Hayate can't do something like that, considering
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what the...

since when? what chapter is this?
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Old 2010-05-02, 06:32   Link #2026
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It's not Bloody Dagger, but a similar type of spell, which was cast in StrikerS during her second fight I believe.
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Old 2010-05-02, 08:07   Link #2027
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It's not Bloody Dagger, but a similar type of spell, which was cast in StrikerS during her second fight I believe.
was about to point that out too, but i forgot which episode it was. was it their first meeting in the sewers and the following ascend to the surface? or was it the battle with caro and erio?
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Old 2010-05-02, 08:15   Link #2028
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was about to point that out too, but i forgot which episode it was. was it their first meeting in the sewers and the following ascend to the surface? or was it the battle with caro and erio?
I am certain we see it in battle with Caro and Erio, but it might have ben in the sewers too.
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Old 2010-05-02, 11:53   Link #2029
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I am certain we see it in battle with Caro and Erio, but it might have ben in the sewers too.
It first appears in episode 12, around 10:05 or so. She uses it in retaliation for Teana trying to snipe her.
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Old 2010-05-02, 11:59   Link #2030
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About Nanoha StrikerS, I though Vivio was a kid. Why is it that sometimes I see her as an adult, and there's even a figurine coming out of her as an adult? Fan-made character?
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Old 2010-05-02, 12:04   Link #2031
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About Nanoha StrikerS, I though Vivio was a kid. Why is it that sometimes I see her as an adult, and there's even a figurine coming out of her as an adult? Fan-made character?
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Old 2010-05-02, 12:08   Link #2032
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Spoiler for Vivio:
Spoiler for spop:

Sorry, I'm new to Nanoha.
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Old 2010-05-02, 12:13   Link #2033
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No, but it does increase her abilities.
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Old 2010-05-02, 12:14   Link #2034
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Sorry, I'm new to Nanoha.
Basically, yeah. Watch StrikerS and read the first couple of chapters of ViVid and it should be clear to you.
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Old 2010-05-02, 22:34   Link #2035
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One dumb question: Who named RH? Nanoha, Yuuno or RH itself(himself?)

I watched 1st season pretty long ago so I cannot recall it.
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Old 2010-05-02, 22:43   Link #2036
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It's not stated in canon (as far as I recall) but I think it's safe to assume that it was whoever built it. Maybe it was Yuuno, but in the Manga from the 1st movie didn't state who made the device, only that Yuuno was being allowed to carry it over to his mission on Earth.
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Old 2010-05-02, 23:28   Link #2037
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It's not stated in canon (as far as I recall) but I think it's safe to assume that it was whoever built it. Maybe it was Yuuno, but in the Manga from the 1st movie didn't state who made the device, only that Yuuno was being allowed to carry it over to his mission on Earth.
I, finally, looked 1st season again. In 1st ep, Yuno tells spells to Nanoha for initiating RH first time, including "Raising Heart".

From that, I assume Yunno knows RH's name but not sure he actually named it himself. (Probably not, because as far as I remember, Yunno found RH at a dig site or sth.)

It makes me wonder another thing. What does "Raising Heart" stands for? I mean, Bardiche(Fate's device) is medieval ax and Schwartkreuz(Hayate's device) means 'Sword Cross' in German.

Yeah, maybe just meaningless bad naming. But I cannot stop wondering what is 'raising' by RH or its master.
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Old 2010-05-03, 01:23   Link #2038
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Well... the MSLN series started out out as a spin-off of a spin-off, in which Nanoha was a typical cliché Magical Girl with Chrono as the villain and romance. Raising Heart was probably designed to be a typical Magical Girl tool, ergo... cutesy and all that. Notice the liberal use of pink, and fluffy wings.

As for why the name Raising Heart... hmm, this is purely speculation on my part, but perhaps they named it so because it is supposed to raise one's fighting spirit? The human heart is considered to be the core of human emotions. When one is said to be down, it means he is depressed.

So on the flip side, when one is said to be rising to the occasion, it is a positive meaning. Given that RH has always been offering words of encouragement to Nanoha, I think her name really fits.

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Old 2010-05-12, 13:25   Link #2039
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I have a question concerning Alicia Testarossa, which may or may not become relevant to a fanfic I'm writing.

I keep hearing that she was significantly less powerful, magically, than Fate. Has the reason for this ever been established? Was her magical potential legitimately lower than Fate's, or is the discrepancy simply due to the fact that Fate recieved intense training her whole life and Alicia did not (Alicia died at age five, after all. I doubt Precia put her through in-depth combat training in her toddler years)?

If someone could direct me to an answer, I'd really appreciate it.
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Old 2010-05-12, 13:49   Link #2040
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Was her magical potential legitimately lower than Fate's, or is the discrepancy simply due to the fact that Fate recieved intense training her whole life and Alicia did not (Alicia died at age five, after all. I doubt Precia put her through in-depth combat training in her toddler years)?.
I think magical potential at age five is literally a measure of potential only, and does not necessarily reflect what one can achieve if s/he has undergone intensive training.

In the Japanese wiki entry, which quoted the pamphlet of the movie as the source, the magic rank of Alicia is E. However it is also said that the rank is no more than an educated guess since she has never attended any magical test.

Btw Chrono is also said to have poor memory, poor physical strength and low magical potential at the age of five. But he overcame all of them with his own extreme hard-work and his rank is already AAA+ by A's. It is quite likely that he has an even higher rank in StrikerS.
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