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Old 2010-05-16, 19:56   Link #2001
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Yes, Trunks done gone messed with history (though I don't get why he always seemed upset by it. Obviously his presence and any interaction would affect things. Doesn't he know the butterfly effect?).
That's one thing that got me curious. Was it really necessary for Trunks to intervene before Goku's arrival? I mean as Goku himself said, he could have just used Instant Transmission in order to defeat Frieza and King Cold. I would have loved to see Goku completely obliterate Frieza again
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Old 2010-05-16, 21:35   Link #2002
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It's pretty much flat-out stated that Goku would have simply teleported and fried them himself.

As for the butterfly effect, that's only a hypothetical. A case could just as easily made that microscopic things are drowned out by the macroscopic.
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Old 2010-05-17, 10:40   Link #2003
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Loved the new piece of music used when the two super saiyans where showing their stuff, along with one of my personal favorites from the second soundtrack used when Trunks was telling the story of the androids. Really brought out the despair and emotion.

& yeah i laughed pretty hard at Piccolo's reaction. It just goes to show how shocking Bulma and Vegeta being together is, plus having a child to shock even him.
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Old 2010-05-17, 19:20   Link #2004
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That's one thing that got me curious. Was it really necessary for Trunks to intervene before Goku's arrival? I mean as Goku himself said, he could have just used Instant Transmission in order to defeat Frieza and King Cold. I would have loved to see Goku completely obliterate Frieza again
Well, Trunks was confused as to why he had to kill Frieza himself. Basically it reveals that originally, Goku DID use Instant transmission to get to Frieza, but in the new timeline he didn't have to because Trunks is there.
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Old 2010-05-17, 20:01   Link #2005
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did you people know that there is actually 4 timelines, and 2 live Cell's ?

im gonna put a chart pic, explaining it all, i have to edit one that i made earlier, cause of few mistakes.
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Old 2010-05-17, 20:12   Link #2006
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Oh Freerunner, time travel is always a can of worms, but I think Toriyama did the best he could with it.

Even if you map it all out, there are still a few things that don't quite make sense and might be best left to the imagination.
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Old 2010-05-17, 20:32   Link #2007
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Old 2010-05-17, 20:58   Link #2008
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did you people know that there is actually 4 timelines, and 2 live Cell's ?

im gonna put a chart pic, explaining it all, i have to edit one that i made earlier, cause of few mistakes.
Are you sure? Been a while since I've seen these episodes, but I thought it went:
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Old 2010-05-17, 21:23   Link #2009
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I love Cell Saga, so I can't help but get involved. I think the 4th timeline stems from...

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Old 2010-05-18, 02:07   Link #2010
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So... there is timeline 1 where Goku kills Frieza, dies from heart attack, the androids kill everyone, fetus Cell survives, and Trunks goes back in time creating timeline 2. When he returns later, he kills the androids and depending on whether he survived the battle with Cell, we get timelines 2 and 3 (see bellow).

Timeline 2 where Trunks kills Frieza, Goku takes the medicine, the androids are deactivated, fetus Cell survives, and Trunks goes to his timeline 1, kills the androids, gets killed by Cell, then Cell uses the machine and goes back in time creating timeline 3.

Timeline 3 where Cell waits in larva form, Trunks kills Frieza, Goku takes the medicine, the androids are absorbed by Cell, fetus Cell is killed, Perfect Cell is killed, and Trunks goes to his timeline 1, kills the androids and Cell.

I see no 4th timeline. Cell only went back once. If there is a timeline 4, that would be a future timeline 1 where Cell is never hatched from his tube. That is the Buu Saga and later grown up Trunks from this timeline, not the post-apocalyptic one (where he is more of a nerd than a biker redneck).
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Old 2010-05-18, 08:40   Link #2011
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I see no 4th timeline. Cell only went back once. If there is a timeline 4, that would be a future timeline 1 where Cell is never hatched from his tube. That is the Buu Saga and later grown up Trunks from this timeline, not the post-apocalyptic one (where he is more of a nerd than a biker redneck).
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I'm not sure there is another way to explain it without making a plothole.

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Old 2010-05-18, 11:12   Link #2012
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Erm, I always felt that it was implied that he
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Old 2010-05-18, 12:29   Link #2013
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Ok, this is the last time I post on this,
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I'm not sure there is another way to explain it without making a plothole.
Oh, you missed the part where the timeframe Cell went back to was the same as when Trucks went there the first time. He wanted to tell himself not to intervene with this timeline as the problem was solved (or he thought it was).
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Old 2010-05-18, 13:20   Link #2014
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Erm, I always felt that it was implied that he
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Oh, you missed the part where the timeframe Cell went back to was the same as when Trucks went there the first time. He wanted to tell himself not to intervene with this timeline as the problem was solved (or he thought it was).
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It might be better to wait for these episodes to air in Kai, so we can discuss it with the facts fresh in our heads. I'm sure there's going to be inconsistencies with any explanation, though.
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Old 2010-05-18, 13:47   Link #2015
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With all that said, from my understanding of the events, there still needs to be four timelines. It's rather a mess though and ultimately doesn't matter.
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Old 2010-05-22, 16:18   Link #2016
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I have a question.
If saiyans are the strongest race in the universe, and a humanxsaiyan offspring are even stronger, why didn't they try other combinations like humanxnamek, saiyanxnamek and even human-saiyanxhuman-namek?
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Old 2010-05-22, 16:45   Link #2017
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Well, first of all Namekians are asexual beings. You can't breed a standard sapien-esque species with them.

As for the others, no one knew that Saiyan/Human was strong until Gohan came along, and there's still no telling what exactly makes him so special since the other Saiyan/Human hybrids don't seem to have the same hidden potential that he did.
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Old 2010-05-22, 17:04   Link #2018
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Namekians are not asexual. They are hermaphrodites.
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Old 2010-05-22, 18:02   Link #2019
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Well, first of all Namekians are asexual beings. You can't breed a standard sapien-esque species with them.

As for the others, no one knew that Saiyan/Human was strong until Gohan came along, and there's still no telling what exactly makes him so special since the other Saiyan/Human hybrids don't seem to have the same hidden potential that he did.
I thought Trunks and Goten reached Super Saiyan so easily because of them being hybrids.
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Old 2010-05-22, 18:12   Link #2020
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1/4th Sayans/Humans become SSJ without breaking a sweat. You can imagine their kids being born blond right away (when their hair starts to grow that is).
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