2010-05-30, 18:11 | Link #10743 |
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Sorry if this is a repost, but I noticed how in EP 3 and EP4 when Genji is killed in the first twilight the rest of the order and staking gets all out of order. But in EP 1 and EP2 when he is alive until the end it is following the Epitaph perfectly. Maybe he is the main coordinator/mastermind of the murders?
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2010-05-30, 18:23 | Link #10744 | |
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There are only 4 Episodes which we know the conclusions to. Episode 5 ended prematurely, and I have no idea about Episode 6. So for this small sample space, it does seem that THE BUTLER DID IT. |
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2010-05-30, 19:18 | Link #10745 |
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I can't see that. Honestly to me, accusing Genji of the crime is the same of accusing Natsuhi of it. Both are completely devoted to the Ushiromiya family, so why would they ever kill them? You can say Natsuhi is in a better position than him, but at the same time it's not by a lot.
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2010-05-30, 19:50 | Link #10746 |
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If indeed the Butler did do it, I guess Genji WOULD have a motive or some sort.
Here are my fun theories! 1) Because of his strong feelings for Kinzo, he blames the family for his death. Hence, being smart and all, he compromises with this 3-year-long scheme (which is quite believable, considering if we relate to Takano's hibernation of Higurashi). 2) In EP2, 'Kanon' attacks the servants. Maybe Genji knew that Kanon knew and this 'demonic' state of Kanon could be of Genji's smart reasoning with the scared servants. P.S. - Come to think of it, wasn't Nanjo's and Kumasawa's corpse found outside, with no blood stains in the room? Unless the Ushiromiya has super-cleaning utensils.
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2010-05-30, 20:24 | Link #10747 | |
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Overall Genji seems too much of a decoy culprit though he to be involved somehow, mainly through his connection with ronove. Idk maybe hes not particularly keen on the murders but is bound to assist the culprit in some way? etc a contract or blackmail? |
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2010-05-30, 21:06 | Link #10748 | |
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As for super-cleaning utensils, of course they have them, it's that mysterious liquor that Genji serves, it's actually an industrial solvent. |
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2010-05-30, 21:17 | Link #10749 | |
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There is nothing that he says or does that doesn't express loyalty and consideration, but that's all that it ever expresses. He does a lot of suspicious things, some with rather bad excuses, but the motives for those are completely blank. The absolutely only unusual and interesting thing Genji does that gives any indication he's anything but a butler is throw knives in Ep2 in a clearly magic scene. Even if we explicitly meld Genji and Ronove, that doesn't add all that much. Ronove is far more colorful, and obviously a more interesting personality, but while he talks radically differently, he still does exactly what Genji would if Beatrice was his primary master, with very few (if any, actually) exceptions. Neither Genji nor Ronove say much about their own past, nor about the past of other characters, nor about what they personally want which isn't the same as what their masters want... So there's pretty much nothing to lean onto when theorising about blackmail, contracts, other duties and debts, and any theory requiring them stumbles on Knox rules about evidence, for there is pretty much none... If anyone is 'furniture' in the truest sense it's Genji, if there is anything seriously human in him, he hides it expertly. Compare to Jeeves, who, while being a model butler in words and visible actions, runs circles around his master behind the scenes where lots of invisible actions come out.
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2010-05-30, 21:23 | Link #10750 | |
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As a good friend of Kinzo's, not to mention being a butler, he felt indebted to Kinzo. It is common knowledge that Kinzo did not like his children -- he thought they only wanted his money. We also know that Kinzo wanted his children to solve the epitaph. Perhaps Genji tried to replicate the epitaph murders, just so the family members would have a reason to solve the epitaph? Maybe Kinzo's dying wish was to have them solve it. Honoring his last request, Genji is merely trying to goad the siblings into solving the epitaph. Of course, it would require a LOT of respect for Kinzo to do this, but it is possible. |
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2010-05-30, 22:31 | Link #10752 |
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My theory after episode 5's group of reds about Beatrice's motive is that the mastermind orders Beatrice to kill for him. Since the only other motive she has is to play cupid. It should work with Genji too since he's furniture and he has to follow the orders of anyone with the one winged eagle. Though the only thing I'm sure he might be doing is staking people and preparing the letters. There are as many cases where he can't be a murderer as there are where he can be.
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2010-05-31, 02:22 | Link #10753 |
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Hmm, that's an interesting take on things. Still, there needs to be a way to explain the line "the gold of the Golden Land belongs to this child". Why would Beatrice need to take orders from anyone if the gold was already hers in the first place? I'm not saying you aren't on to something here, just thinking about where specifically this might lead.
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2010-05-31, 02:50 | Link #10754 | |
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2010-05-31, 09:10 | Link #10755 | |
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On Genji Culprit, I can't imagine him being the mastermind, if only because I trust Ryuukishi not to use one of the biggest cop-outs in mystery fiction. However, I do believe he has an important role in one of the schemes aside from the Phantom Kinzo scheme. He's either helping the mastermind culprit with the murders, or more likely to me, setting up Kinzo's last will's magic show to end all magic shows.
He goes around cutting phone lines, he's likely the one painting magic circles, and he can easily get help from the other servants in setting up scenarios/distracting the family, since he's well-respected. If he isn't killing/helping killing people, he's doing some strange. Quote:
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2010-05-31, 09:52 | Link #10756 | |
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This makes Genji in particular less suspicious about breaking phones and the radio, as disabling those only requires knowing where they are, but very little else. But he is mighty suspicious for possibly lying about them being broken at all.
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2010-05-31, 10:11 | Link #10757 | |
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I agree that theorizing in the dark about Genji's motives is a waste of time. This is probably a case where we're going to have to first figure out what he was actually doing when he was off-screen, by scrutinizing the incidents he was involved in and picking the lies out of his testimony. Only after we have the full picture will a motivation for his actions emerge.
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2010-05-31, 12:27 | Link #10758 | |
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2010-05-31, 12:50 | Link #10759 |
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@Oliver:
Irrevocably breaking any radio is easy. All it takes is a hammer. Without a hammer, the technique of "throw it out a window" is traditionally effective. Breaking a radio so that it can be fixed without going off the island, now [i]that's[i] tricky. As for the phones, while there isn't any direct evidence that they're broken, what's to be gained from lying about it? Why not just cut the line to the mainland?
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2010-05-31, 13:12 | Link #10760 | |
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And every time a phone rang, it was from somewhere else on the island. This also goes with the idea that nothing outside the island can interfere with anything inside the island, making it a true closed circle. |
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