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Old 2010-06-08, 18:37   Link #21
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This might help put things in perspective:


5 Insane File Sharing Panics from Before the Internet

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http://www.cracked.com/article_18513...-internet.html
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Old 2010-06-08, 19:03   Link #22
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True. Those people who wrote software don't exactly do it for money as a priority, but rather out of interest and hobby that makes the software good in the first place. It is the dream of idealism, rather than the propelling factors of pragmatism, that drives software creation in the first place.

Read this : it pretty much says the same things about the psychology of "successful" people, like the early software and hardware gurus of early computing in the 1980s and 1990s.

Been using a computer (to play games of course!) since 1992 at the age of 4, and see how those large floppy disks got pushed out of the market by the 1.44mb minis, and then how the zip disk never took off because it got released too close to the similar sized and equally priced CD-ROM.
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Old 2010-06-08, 23:52   Link #23
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Torrents are legal, although certain corporations and protection rackets would rather they not be.
(The below is only w.r.t US law.)
This entirely depends on how we define a torrent and which part of a torrent we are talking about. If we are talking about a torrent file for a copyrighted work without distribution rights, this entirely depends on the interpretation of various parts of the DMCA. The two sides of the argument essentially go: 1) The file does not actually contain any copyrighted content and is thus legal or 2) The file is an enabler of copyright infringement and is thus illegal. The act of running the torrent is illegal under the DMCA (distribution). (IANAL)
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Fansubbing? I'm going to say legal.
Translation of a work without consent and distribution of a work without consent are both illegal in the US. (IANAL)

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and thus illegal according to the constitution.

....this makes current copyright law illegal under the Constitution.
Sorry but this doesn't contradict the constitution at all.

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TL;DR summary: torrent and pirate all you want, because copyright is dead. That's the main reason piracy is growing, because the average person knows copyright law is bunk, and has lost all respect for it. You'll have to fight for your rights if they come after you, though.
The average person doesn't have a clue what copyright law says.
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Old 2010-06-08, 23:58   Link #24
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The average person doesn't have a clue what copyright law says.
This itself is a problem. If the law is too convoluted and complex for Joe Sixpack to understand it, the law needs to be changed. Period.

Let's not even discuss the U.S. tax laws... which you pretty much need a four-year degree to understand with any degree of completeness.
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Old 2010-06-09, 03:50   Link #25
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If the law is too convoluted and complex for Joe Sixpack to understand it, the law needs to be changed. Period.
Pretty sure the only problem is when it contradicts itself or other laws. There are many things where people would say they don't mind if asked about it not being there, but would say they do mind if told some of the consequences; that's why laws are not made on a whim or based on the common sense of your average joe.
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Old 2010-06-09, 10:22   Link #26
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(The below is only w.r.t US law.)
This entirely depends on how we define a torrent and which part of a torrent we are talking about. If we are talking about a torrent file for a copyrighted work without distribution rights, this entirely depends on the interpretation of various parts of the DMCA. The two sides of the argument essentially go: 1) The file does not actually contain any copyrighted content and is thus legal or 2) The file is an enabler of copyright infringement and is thus illegal. The act of running the torrent is illegal under the DMCA (distribution). (IANAL)
Torrents are merely a file type and a transmission system. It would be like saying the telephone is illegal. Big media *wants* torrents to be illegal, and spreads all sort of FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) so that people are afraid of it, but it is completely legel as it's just another communication and distribution channel. Blizzard sends it's WoW updates out via torrents, so if it was illegal, Blizzard would be in a heap of trouble.

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Translation of a work without consent and distribution of a work without consent are both illegal in the US. (IANAL)
Yes and no. According to current copyright law it is, but my whole argument is that since the constitution is the supreme law of the land, it overrides illegal laws, like the current copyright law.

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Sorry but this doesn't contradict the constitution at all.
Letter of the law, or the spirit of the law? Big media companies want the law changed so that it is "forever minus a day" which is still technically "limited." But I think you'd agree that would be against the spirit of the law. In order to understand the spirit, you have to look back at the article's creation, and understand why the founding fathers put it in.

If something is created before you were born, and either never enters public domain, or does so long after you're dead, it is essentially "unlimited" which contradicts the "limited times" of the constitution. "Life + 70 years" only benefits those that live that long, and only the corporation does; a sociopathic entity that wants all the benefits of personhood, and none of the responsibilities.

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The average person doesn't have a clue what copyright law says.
No, but they know what's bunk when they come across it. Read the quoted section of the speech in my previous post; the public feeling is on the side of the pirates. They may not be able to articulate why, but they know that sharing is right. No one feels guilt about doing it, which makes them wonder why a law says they can't.

Edit: For those interested, Spanish judges have made a ruling that P2P is just fine: http://torrentfreak.com/judges-liken...-books-100608/

It's important to note that Spanish citizens pay a tax on items that can store copyrighted material, like hard drives, smartphones, DVDs, etc. So this tax allows them to lend and share books and DVDs and stuff, as long as it's not-for-profit. Have a P2P site? Host it in Spain!

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