AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Older Series > Retired > Amagami SS

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2010-06-21, 14:45   Link #41
Vexx
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ...
Age: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJR View Post
I don't think anyone's denying that. However, by saying that Kimikiss changed demographics, you're employing that they started targeting women, which isn't true.

They may have misunderstood the intolerance for multi-character romances among otaku. They may also have downplayed the sexual atmosphere (which isn't usually a problem, given the success of shows like Kanon or AIR).

However, Kimikiss was always geared toward the same audience, which is why it failed. Most likely, the director wanted to present a different angle to a typical harem formula to make it more refreshing for fans. Nevertheless, making it "josei" was never the intention. Rather, they added a few twists to the standard shounen formula (inspired by female-oriented romances) that otaku couldn't stomach for reasons they didn't anticipate.

You can also think back to Kannagi and the uproar (fortunately, that occurred after the series already won so many fans. However, if they'd established it from the start - in fact, throw in some recurring confirmation that Nagi had slept with several guys in the past but present the same show otherwise - who knows how things might've turned out?). Being able to read the audience and understand their way of thinking is crucial.
I think the bolded sentence hits it on the head. The primary audience for the source material is very comfortable in their very deep rut. This is sad because it punishes innovation -- and frankly, there's some real shallow stories in that deep rut. Its probably one of the reasons I'm liking the subversive undercurrents recent authors are throwing in that the rage-otaku are missing on their "no innovation allowed" radar. I'll just keep searching for the exceptions amongst the usual.

On the positive side, it looks like each "parallel universe" is going to get sufficient time budget to tell an interesting story about each "heroine".
__________________
Vexx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-21, 14:54   Link #42
0utf0xZer0
Pretentious moe scholar
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Age: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJR View Post
I don't think anyone's denying that. However, by saying that Kimikiss changed demographics, you're employing that they started targeting women, which isn't true.

They may have misunderstood the intolerance for multi-character romances among otaku. They may also have downplayed the sexual atmosphere (which isn't usually a problem, given the success of shows like Kanon or AIR).

However, Kimikiss was always geared toward the same audience, which is why it failed. Most likely, the director wanted to present a different angle to a typical harem formula to make it more refreshing for fans. Nevertheless, making it "josei" was never the intention. Rather, they added a few twists to the standard shounen formula (inspired by female-oriented romances) that otaku couldn't stomach for reasons they didn't anticipate.

You can also think back to Kannagi and the uproar (fortunately, that occurred after the series already won so many fans. However, if they'd established it from the start - in fact, throw in some recurring confirmation that Nagi had slept with several guys in the past but present the same show otherwise - who knows how things might've turned out?). Being able to read the audience and understand their way of thinking is crucial.
The one thing I've always wondered about is why Kimikiss got slagged for having multiple protagonists while EF: A Tale of Memories also had multiple protagonists and was moderately successful. Is it just that EF had those protagonists in there from the beginning?
__________________

Signature courtesy of Ganbaru.
0utf0xZer0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-21, 15:09   Link #43
Vexx
Obey the Darkly Cute ...
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: On the whole, I'd rather be in Kyoto ...
Age: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0 View Post
The one thing I've always wondered about is why Kimikiss got slagged for having multiple protagonists while EF: A Tale of Memories also had multiple protagonists and was moderately successful. Is it just that EF had those protagonists in there from the beginning?
It may be as simple (o.O) as that .... the EF source material allowed the player to select multiple protagonists to play each arc. But there are a manageable number of ladies (4) in the two EF games where as KKPR's game had 6(?) ... outside of handling it like the KKPR manga is doing (parallel universe time), having one protagonist go after six girls in an integrated plot in the space of a series without wreaking havoc on the storylines... well, good luck with that writing assignment.

The Amagami SS staff is (safely and wisely for $$$) taking the parallel universe route it seems... I'm more okay with that than some ridiculous "gotta catch 'em all" series (though I still enjoyed the ensemble reweaving idea the best, I'm clearly in the minority there).
__________________
Vexx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-21, 15:30   Link #44
DragoZERO
Spoilaphobic
*IT Support
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: USA
Age: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by 0utf0xZer0 View Post
The one thing I've always wondered about is why Kimikiss got slagged for having multiple protagonists while EF: A Tale of Memories also had multiple protagonists and was moderately successful. Is it just that EF had those protagonists in there from the beginning?
ef had two male protagonists, but each had a different girls. I thought Kimikiss was ingenious when they split the protagonist into two so they can include the other girls into a manageable story. Plus I think Kimikiss was more of a dating sim while ef was a VN. Someone can feel free to confirm or correct me.
DragoZERO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-21, 15:35   Link #45
0utf0xZer0
Pretentious moe scholar
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Vancouver, Canada
Age: 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vexx View Post
It may be as simple (o.O) as that .... the EF source material allowed the player to select multiple protagonists to play each arc. But there are a manageable number of ladies (4) in the two EF games where as KKPR's game had 6(?) ... outside of handling it like the KKPR manga is doing (parallel universe time), having one protagonist go after six girls in an integrated plot in the space of a series without wreaking havoc on the storylines... well, good luck with that writing assignment.

The Amagami SS staff is (safely and wisely for $$$) taking the parallel universe route it seems... I'm more okay with that than some ridiculous "gotta catch 'em all" series (though I still enjoyed the ensemble reweaving idea the best, I'm clearly in the minority there).
Minor correction: You don't get to choose a protagonist in EF, all the pairings are preset, making each chapter pretty much pass/fail. The five pairings are:

Hiro/Miyako
Kyousuke/Kei (cut almost entirely out of the anime due to time and pacing constraints. In the game, it apparently takes place after Hiro/Miyako, but in the anime it seems to take place simultaneously and feels like a last minute "pair the spares" as a result.)
Renji/Chihiro
Kuze/Mizuki
Yuu/Yuuko

So basically, the five couples you saw in the anime with Kei's story getting shafted (pun intended).

I do agree that EF had much easier to adapt source material. Unfortunately I have the suspicion that difficulty in adaptation is what's preventing adaptations for a number of fairly strong VNs.
__________________

Signature courtesy of Ganbaru.
0utf0xZer0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-21, 23:54   Link #46
DragoonKain3
Osana-Najimi Shipper
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Mt. Ordeals
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentar View Post
Looks like we finally have the order of the girls: Each of them has her own ED.

1) Shizuka Itou as Haruka Morishima

2) Rina Satou as Kaoru Tanamachi

3) Hiromi Konno as Sae Nakata

4) Yukana as Ai Nanasaki

5) Ryoko Shintani as Rihoko Sakurai

6) Kaori Nazuka as Tsukasa Ayatsuji
Damn, Sakurai is second to the last? That's too darn long... T_T

On the bright side, this pretty much forces me to watch girls 1-4, and I would probably watch 6 just for completion's sake. I was originally planning to watch just Sakurai's, but I guess you know what they said about the best laid plans...
__________________

Yes its YOU childhood friend - source of BERZERKER RAGE since forever
Childhood Friend couple STATISTICS(spoilers abound though)
DragoonKain3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-22, 00:00   Link #47
Mizuno
Undefined
 
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: With the gods
Age: 31
Send a message via MSN to Mizuno
This is how Kimikiss pure rouge should have been. I expect this one to do a lot better than the former.
Mizuno is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-22, 02:43   Link #48
ZODDGUTS
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
It has a director with a good track record. Directed: Kaleido Star, Sketchbook, Solty Rei and Working. Also worked on Aria the Natural, Vandread and Kannagi a bit. Also directed ep 3 of Mayoi Neko one of the non sucky episodes of that series and it was character driven something that this series will be about character developing. So I expect something that's in the range of being at least semi good to real good here, don't expect anything bad/disaster like.
ZODDGUTS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-24, 21:34   Link #49
Aaerul
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Without Ken Kasai's touches. I am not sure if I can stomach this. But I'm going to give it a few episodes for tries. It sure is a long series but.
Aaerul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-24, 23:30   Link #50
Kaoru Chujo
Kuno Misaki
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZODDGUTS View Post
It has a director with a good track record. Directed: Kaleido Star, Sketchbook, Solty Rei and Working. Also worked on Aria the Natural, Vandread and Kannagi a bit. Also directed ep 3 of Mayoi Neko one of the non sucky episodes of that series and it was character driven something that this series will be about character developing. So I expect something that's in the range of being at least semi good to real good here, don't expect anything bad/disaster like.
I agree completely. This is one of the shows this summer I am expecting to be good. The director did excellent things with Working, adapting the 4-koma comic strip original in what I thought was a very good way. He can put in some nice touches, too.

There's a link in my sig to detailed previews of all the summer shows, including cast, staff, story, trailer, etc.
__________________
Kuno Misaki 久野美咲 age 21. 2009 - King of Thorn (Alie). 2010 - Oreimo (Bridget). 2012 - Black Rock Shooter (Hiro). 2013 - Problem children (Melln). Ro-Kyu-Bu! SS (Mimi), Log Horizon (Serara), Galilei Donna (Grande Rosso). 2014 - Noragami (Keiichi), Escha and Logy (Kuu), Zvezda Plot (Hoshimiya Kate/Venera-sama), Wixoss (Tama), Mahouka Koukou (Kasuga Nanami), Flag o Oraretara (Kurumiko), Nanana (Saki), Seven Deadly Sins (Hawk).
Hashihime blog | Twitter @nakanokimi | autumn 2014 previews | autumn 2014 schedule |
characters/seiyuus: Sailor Moon Crystal | Akatsuki no Yona | Amagi Brilliant Park | Coffin-Princess Chaika | Cross Ange | Daitoshokan no Hitsujikai | Danna ga Nani ga Itteru | Denkigai no Honya-san | Donten ni Warau | Fate/Stay Night UBW | Le Fruit de la Grisaia | Gugure! Kokkuri-san | Inou Battle wa Nichijou-kei no Naka de | Madan no Ou to Vanadis | Orenchi no Furo Jijou | Seven Deadly Sins | Shigatsu wa Kimi no Uso | Shirobako | Sora no Method | Tribe Cool Crew | Trinity Seven | Ushinawareta Mirai o Motomete | Wixoss
Kaoru Chujo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-25, 08:27   Link #51
DragoZERO
Spoilaphobic
*IT Support
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: USA
Age: 28
Everyone is getting me all excited here. I'm trying to keep my expectations low so that if it sucks I won't be disappointed and if it's awesome, I'd be surprised and enjoy it more.
DragoZERO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-25, 09:49   Link #52
Kanon
Kana Hanazawa ♥
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: France
Age: 28
Haha, I'm also trying to keep my expectations low despite the great staff working on this. I'm always wary of visual novels/dating sim anime adaptations.
__________________
Rize and Kaneki
Kanon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-25, 10:03   Link #53
Katapan
俺様祭り
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: France
Age: 24
I don't have particularly high expectations for this (though I don't think it can go terribly wrong with Hiraike directing), but I definitely enjoyed the latest PV:


Loving the character designs, along with the voice work by Maeno Tomoaki and Itou Shizuka.
__________________
Katapan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-25, 10:10   Link #54
Shiroth
Beautiful fighter.
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: England, UK
Age: 28
Itou Shizuka is so perfect for her role as Haruka, it's scary.
__________________
Shiroth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-25, 10:37   Link #55
Bonta Kun
One Punch Man!
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Resides within the depths of Ned infested Glasgow
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shiroth View Post
Itou Shizuka is so perfect for her role as Haruka, it's scary.
Didn't give it much thought before but after seeing that PV and reading your comment, I have to agree. I think it's that little giggle she gives off at the end that does the trick.

And Tomoaki Maeno as Junichi Tachibana seems to work pretty well going form that PV.

Very much lookig forward to this!
__________________
Bonta Kun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-25, 13:39   Link #56
DragoZERO
Spoilaphobic
*IT Support
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: USA
Age: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonta Kun View Post
And Tomoaki Maeno as Junichi Tachibana seems to work pretty well going form that PV.
He does! I was a little iffy on him. He did a great job in White Album, but the first season he sounded like he had a clothes pin on his nose. It's a good thing that he sounds different enough so that I won't be thinking of White Album. Whenever I hear Mizuki Nana or Hirano Aya, I think of White Album, Rina and Yuki respectively..
DragoZERO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-25, 13:44   Link #57
Shiroth
Beautiful fighter.
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: England, UK
Age: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonta Kun View Post
Didn't give it much thought before but after seeing that PV and reading your comment, I have to agree. I think it's that little giggle she gives off at the end that does the trick.
Itou Shizuka has the perfect teasing voice (and giggle :3) for Haruka, so watching her arc is going to be such a treat.
__________________
Shiroth is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-25, 14:09   Link #58
Zwei
Natural Born Killer
*Graphic Designer
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Roanapur
Age: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Katapan View Post
I don't have particularly high expectations for this (though I don't think it can go terribly wrong with Hiraike directing), but I definitely enjoyed the latest PV:


Loving the character designs, along with the voice work by Maeno Tomoaki and Itou Shizuka.
Not enough sex hair in that PV. Hearing Shizuka Itou compensated for it, though.
__________________
Zwei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-25, 14:29   Link #59
DragoZERO
Spoilaphobic
*IT Support
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: USA
Age: 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zwei View Post
Not enough sex hair in that PV. Hearing Shizuka Itou compensated for it, though.
Sex hair?? Is that one a quirk of one of the girls??
DragoZERO is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-06-25, 14:46   Link #60
Zwei
Natural Born Killer
*Graphic Designer
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Roanapur
Age: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by DragoZERO View Post
Sex hair?? Is that one a quirk of one of the girls??
Yes, sex hair.

I was referring to Kaoru Tanamachi, one of the main girls who appears at 0:04.
(Which is also my favorite character of the series so far)
__________________
Zwei is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
romance, seinen, shounen

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:36.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.