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Old 2010-06-25, 00:02   Link #21
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The "(?)" was in the first summary itself, which has been changed now to the longer one you see in the website. So maybe it was just the guess of the reader that it was Heero, based on things we don't know. Personally, until we get the original novel, all the summaries should have the usual disclaimer.
Ah ok, thanks for the clarification. A lot's still unclear. Like Duo, for example. I don't think Sumisawa's oblivious enough not to know that priest's can't have kids. Then again, it's mentioned that Duo "didn't make the sign at all." I'm guessing the "sign" is either the sign of the cross or the fact that he's not wearing a cross? Either way, I suppose Duo's masquerading.

EDIT: I'm editing the first post to state that all summaries are not final or to be taken as 100% accurate. Thus, they should be taken with a shaker of salt.

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Old 2010-06-25, 02:38   Link #22
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Alternative kouryakukan translation by kaijyuu_m here:

Link!

From her translation, these caught my eye from the Sumisawa interview:

He's writing this series as an experiment while thinking of things such as how to revive "something that has already fully concluded once", and "why sequels are so hard to get right". So this isn't really a true sequel, but a transitional novel to help develop a successful sequel.

And this is also meant to be a work to bring Gundam W to the level of completion of the "First Gundam " (<-- "First Gundam" means UC Gundam)

Serialization starts in this month's issue. This issue features the prologue. About the generation of the children of Heero, Duo, etc.


OMG, they're trying to expand GW into the same level of hugeness (meaning number of stories, sequels and whatnot) as UC. @_@ And wtf, is this hinting that Heero has a kid, too? Did he finally let Relena tap that? xD

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Old 2010-06-25, 03:07   Link #23
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It seems that they are hiring creators to revive some old series. They also did that with G Gundam. Now, there may be others or it will be just these two? I mean, Gundam X was a failure, and so its improbable that they would make another series (even if they are novels) about it. But aside from G, W and X there aren't other Gundam series that aren't pretty much new (eg., SEED, 00, Unicorn) and still in 'circulation', so to speak. Would they serialise them in the manner they are doing with these two?
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Old 2010-06-25, 04:53   Link #24
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RAVNEN: At the end of EW, we saw Zechs and Noin in a shuttlecraft though. No capsule usage for them.
Well,could be it...although a sleep capsule like other space sci-fi could be usefull for the crew.(i guess Tallgeese cockpit is enough for Zech..)

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OMG, they're trying to expand GW into the same level of hugeness (meaning number of stories, sequels and whatnot) as UC. @_@ And wtf, is this hinting that Heero has a kid, too? Did he finally let Relena tap that? xD
Let hope they do that...after all Gundam Wing has huge fanbase at U.S. & Bandai can spew more GWing gunpla...XD.
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Old 2010-06-25, 13:14   Link #25
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Hm... 准佐 certainly isn't Constable. It's a bizarre rank that falls between Lieutenant and Lieutenant Commander, given the ranking system of Gundam Wing.
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Old 2010-06-25, 16:58   Link #26
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Am I the only have who thinks this is like some bad fanfiction?
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Old 2010-06-25, 22:02   Link #27
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Am I the only have who thinks this is like some bad fanfiction?
We'll see how the show is executed but part of me feels that way. I love GW and am glad the AC universe is being expanded after so long but I'm a little disappointed with the direction.

The novel could still turn out to be darn good though.
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Old 2010-06-25, 23:01   Link #28
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Thank you so much Deacon Blues!

I know Autumn AC195 pertains to that time Heero masqueraded as Duo at a school.
Relena and elderly people?
So Heero becoming a popsicle was Dr. J's plan?
WTF?! Is Heero the Sleeping Beauty? I wonder how he'd feel about being called "Aurora Princess." Seriously, Sumisawa... T_T Or is the "Aurora Princess" referring to Relena? *shrugs*
And did Duo really become a priest? OMG, is Hilde the baby mama to that boy?! Typical of him to name the kid after himself. xD *evilly hopes this permanently sinks 1x2 canon theorists*

Meehlimo: I'm guessing it's about as canon as all the other sidestories (Blind Target, Battlefield of Pacifists, The Last Outpost, etc.) Semi-canon, I guess. The only sidestory that got canon status was Episode Zero since it's a prequel (also by Katsuyuki Sumisawa who's writing Frozen Teardrop and head writer for the TV series) that was meant to be animated but something went awry and we ended up with two recap episodes instead (27: The Locus of Victory and Defeat and 28: Passing Destinies).
I'm hoping those fools get shut up too. There's nothing wrong with wishing for something to be true but trying to twist a series so it fits your own views is just foolish.

Blind Target and Battlefield of Pacifists are canon in my opinion.
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Old 2010-06-25, 23:50   Link #29
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Sounds good to me, more Gundam Wing can never be a bad thing.
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Old 2010-06-26, 00:02   Link #30
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Based on the reaction that I've read on the /m/ board, it looks like they're afraid that they might turn Relena into Lacus circa GSD, with the "Aurora Princess" thing, that is, if she is that.
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Old 2010-06-26, 04:32   Link #31
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Elo: True that. I mean I love the idea of Quatre/Dorothy but I don't go around forcing people to see things my way by twisting scenes in the series to reflect my views. Fanon is fanon. All the yaoi is fanon.

I <3 Blind Target but I classify all the interquels as semi-canon. Akemi Omode wrote BT brilliantly though. She developed it all so well.

Washu: Relena > Lacus

IMO, I cannot see Relena ever turning into God-mode Sue. That would suck ass.
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Old 2010-06-26, 06:08   Link #32
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IMO, I cannot see Relena ever turning into God-mode Sue. That would suck ass.
This has never made sense, in fact, I'd argue the whole 'Relena Suecraft' thing was made fun of within the series itself. Everyone in the series seems to think Relena is this 'perfect pacifist princess' thing. Only Treize and herself knew otherwise.

Fact is, for all her pacifist preaching, it's really nothing more than a political front out of necessity. She had never cared that her colleagues secretly harboured a defense force within Sankt Kingdom, and she was perfectly okay when Treize took over command during the White Fang's rebellion, despite it going against the whole 'Perfect Pacifism' crap she and her late father spewed. If anything, she advocates fighting for the sake of peace.
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Old 2010-06-26, 06:26   Link #33
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True that. Actually, calling Relena a Mary Sue has mostly been done by people who:
1. Don't understand her character.
2. Are looking for an excuse to hate her because "OMG! Heero and Duo are tru luvz 4ever, trufax."
3. Both.

Basically, she stood for what made sense and just stuck to her guns on the pacifism because, as you pointed out, it was necessary. In EW, she urged people to fight. Again, she did what was necessary. Doing what is right and not what is easy does not a Mary Sue make.
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Old 2010-06-26, 11:04   Link #34
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True that. Actually, calling Relena a Mary Sue has mostly been done by people who:
1. Don't understand her character.
2. Are looking for an excuse to hate her because "OMG! Heero and Duo are tru luvz 4ever, trufax."
3. Both.

Basically, she stood for what made sense and just stuck to her guns on the pacifism because, as you pointed out, it was necessary. In EW, she urged people to fight. Again, she did what was necessary. Doing what is right and not what is easy does not a Mary Sue make.
After watching SEED, I would say that SEED!Lacus is similiar to EW!Relena, though a little more assertive. Destiny!Lacus, based on what I've read, is when her character was ruined. We can blame the Japanese fans for that.
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Old 2010-06-26, 13:57   Link #35
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Elo: True that. I mean I love the idea of Quatre/Dorothy but I don't go around forcing people to see things my way by twisting scenes in the series to reflect my views. Fanon is fanon. All the yaoi is fanon.

I <3 Blind Target but I classify all the interquels as semi-canon. Akemi Omode wrote BT brilliantly though. She developed it all so well.
Agreed on all counts. I picked up Blind Target at a convention a year ago and really enjoyed it. Not only was it written well but the artwork was just as good in my opinion.

The reason I consider it canon is because unlike Ground Zero and Tiel's Impulse, it had series staff-writers working on it and there aren't plot points that contradict with the series.
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Old 2010-06-26, 14:18   Link #36
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Elo: Especially loved how it featured that (in)famous kiss that drove the yaoi fandom nuts. Hate how it was more of an "almost" kiss though. -_-

As for the novel, I do wonder how Heero/Relena have progressed, if they did. *sighs* It would have been so much easier if the scene on Libra went down something like this:



EDIT: Official or mock-up? @_@
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Old 2010-06-26, 21:50   Link #37
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Elo: Especially loved how it featured that (in)famous kiss that drove the yaoi fandom nuts. Hate how it was more of an "almost" kiss though. -_-

As for the novel, I do wonder how Heero/Relena have progressed, if they did. *sighs* It would have been so much easier if the scene on Libra went down something like this:



EDIT: Official or mock-up? @_@
It looks official.

I'm guessing it's from this month's Gundam Ace?
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Old 2010-06-26, 22:10   Link #38
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Elo: Especially loved how it featured that (in)famous kiss that drove the yaoi fandom nuts. Hate how it was more of an "almost" kiss though. -_-

As for the novel, I do wonder how Heero/Relena have progressed, if they did. *sighs* It would have been so much easier if the scene on Libra went down something like this:



EDIT: Official or mock-up? @_@
The artists must have been chuckling as they drew up that panel knowing how it would affect the fan base.

I'm interested in the state of Heero and Relena's relationship too. I'm also interested to see if the creators actually give Heero a job or if he's just coasting through life. So many questions...

That video is pretty funny.
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Old 2010-06-27, 03:33   Link #39
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Elo: Yeah, it sorta befuddled both sides.

The 1x2 camp were like: Well, it's just "almost." *denial phase*
The 1xR camp were like: Almost?! WTF? Why not go all the way? *folds page*

Basically, it left neither side satisfied but wasn't rage fuel either.

Yeah, as a shipper, I'm really curious about what happened to Heero. He must have gotten a job or something...

And thankies. I dunno but I can't help but dub audio from True Blood onto GW. *has done it twice before*
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Old 2010-06-27, 03:59   Link #40
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I believe the Gundam Wing manga stated or implied that Heero became Relena's official bodyguard after the Mariemaia incident.
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