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Rising Dragon · 2010-07-03, 16:55

Where exactly is this talk of the EW ending being retconned coming from? From the bullet list already given on the thread, I see nothing that really conflicts with the ending statement.

Deacon Blues · 2010-07-03, 17:03

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JFC the art in BoP is awful >.>

Uh, as far as canonocity and how Sunrise is a tightwad about it, I figured most people shrugged that off. Word of God (that is head writer/creator materials) > Sunrise's dictatorial canonocity rules in my book, anyway... As well as anything with enough clout to seem reasonably canon, for example BT (being a voice drama and a manga, and having no conflicting statements with canon).

Except that you have it backwards. Sunrise basically dictates what they are looking for. Why else do you think they're listed as "planning" and what not?

wingzerosnuggles · 2010-07-04, 00:59

And now we have more Father Maxwell and "Duo" on Pixiv:

Kitsoru · 2010-07-04, 01:39

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Except that you have it backwards. Sunrise basically dictates what they are looking for. Why else do you think they're listed as "planning" and what not?

..What do I have backwards, exactly? I'm not sure what you're referring to.

In my post, I was referring to what I take into account with canonocity.

Elo the Blue · 2010-07-04, 03:29

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Except that it isn't, unless they decided to animate the novel like they did with Unicorn. Chance of that happening: slim to none.

It depends on the person but a manga doesn't have to animated to be considered a canon in my book. Frozen Teardrop being written by a script-writer makes it canon in my opinion. And considering mobile suits will be in the manga, it conflicts and thus retcons the statement at the end of EW.

Elo the Blue · 2010-07-04, 03:33

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Originally Posted by Rising Dragon

Where exactly is this talk of the EW ending being retconned coming from? From the bullet list already given on the thread, I see nothing that really conflicts with the ending statement.

The narrator's final statement in EW was: "After Colony year 197, peace has returned to the people. And from this point on in history, weapons called mobile suits, including the Gundams, were never seen again."

One of the bullets reads: "There are going to be new mobile suits appearing in the novel. Focus will be on their militaristic nature."

soundwavezero · 2010-07-04, 19:48

they're probably gona change the wording around to be no more MS in the AC timeline, making room for this and so it makes sence in turn a gundam (which was a sequel to all the gundam shows before it)

Deacon Blues · 2010-07-04, 20:38

Why do people keep trying to force Turn A Gundam into everything? :/

Kitsoru · 2010-07-05, 02:12

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Why do people keep trying to force Turn A Gundam into everything? :/

That's why.

ttdestroy · 2010-07-05, 03:28

Turn A is in everything. If you wanna talk canon that's "Tomino" Canon, nothing supersedes him.

As far as the ending to EW goes, maybe the new MS will be called a mobile weapon instead, BOOM, fix't.

Rising Dragon · 2010-07-05, 03:35

A simpler and more plausible solution would be that the new machines are Mobile Dolls.

Kitsoru · 2010-07-05, 04:25

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As far as the ending to EW goes, maybe the new MS will be called a mobile weapon instead, BOOM, fix't.

Haha, that was actually something I always found interesting about Wing- tons of MS, but I don't recall there being a single Mobile Weapon throughout any of the story or side materials (I haven't read through all of Last Outpost and Tiel's Impulse so I can't say for sure, but I don't recall ever seeing them.)

Honestly though, I have a feeling they'll just retcon.

aeriolewinters · 2010-07-05, 05:07

How come people are going through this "And there were no MS....happily ever after" crap?
It's a no brainer that according to the Turn A Theory, Gundam X was supposedly after Gundam W

Elo the Blue · 2010-07-05, 12:22

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A simpler and more plausible solution would be that the new machines are Mobile Dolls.

Mobile Dolls are still mobile suits; they're just unmanned.

Rising Dragon · 2010-07-05, 18:34

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Mobile Dolls are still mobile suits; they're just unmanned.

Tauruses, yeah. Last I checked we didn't know if Virgos were actually built with cockpits because they were Mobile Dolls from the get-go. Frankly its the name that matters the most, though; they're dolls rather than suits.

Its a cheap explanation but along the lines of the one already offered.

akethy · 2010-07-05, 19:29

Found a scan of the prologue to Frozen Teardrop...

(Anyone want to translate it into English?)

GN0010 Nosferatu · 2010-07-05, 19:30

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Originally Posted by aeriolewinters

How come people are going through this "And there were no MS....happily ever after" crap?
It's a no brainer that according to the Turn A Theory, Gundam X was supposedly after Gundam W

That would explain a lot...

akethy · 2010-07-05, 19:30

Whoops here's the link:

http://reggiocomics.blogspot.com/201...rop-large.html

Kitsoru · 2010-07-05, 19:40

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Whoops here's the link:

http://reggiocomics.blogspot.com/201...rop-large.html

Ohhhh, thanks for the link! I'll see if I can get any friends on it (I have my doubts but... you never know....)

Washu-Chan · 2010-07-05, 19:54

Based on reading the pages, I'm guessing that it's the prologue.

2010-07-03, 16:55	Link #121
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The middle of the Middle of Nowhere Age: 25	Where exactly is this talk of the EW ending being retconned coming from? From the bullet list already given on the thread, I see nothing that really conflicts with the ending statement. __________________

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Deacon Blues アレルヤ･パプティズム Scanlator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Buffalo, NY	Why do people keep trying to force Turn A Gundam into everything? :/ __________________ 「では、人間は、何故、戦うのか？戦うことに存在意義があるのかもしれない。戦っている人間には充実感がある。そして、戦っている人間が汚れて見えないのも事実だ」 So why do people fight, anyway? Perhaps the meaning of existence lies within their will to fight. People feel a sense of accomplishment through battle. And it’s also a fact that the ones actually fighting are never perceived as being tainted.

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ttdestroy Hardcore meets Casual Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Age: 24	Turn A is in everything. If you wanna talk canon that's "Tomino" Canon, nothing supersedes him. As far as the ending to EW goes, maybe the new MS will be called a mobile weapon instead, BOOM, fix't. __________________ Spring 2013 why are you so good to me, I don't have time for all of your series! They say you don't grow up You just grow old, It's safe to say I haven't done both Last edited by ttdestroy; 2010-07-05 at 03:41. Reason: spelling

2010-07-05, 03:35	Link #131
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The middle of the Middle of Nowhere Age: 25	A simpler and more plausible solution would be that the new machines are Mobile Dolls. __________________

2010-07-05, 05:07	Link #133
aeriolewinters Gin-Sama no Tameni! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Balanga City, Bataan, Philippines	How come people are going through this "And there were no MS....happily ever after" crap? It's a no brainer that according to the Turn A Theory, Gundam X was supposedly after Gundam W __________________

2010-07-04, 00:59	Link #123
wingzerosnuggles Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009	And now we have more Father Maxwell and "Duo" on Pixiv:

2010-07-04, 19:48	Link #127
soundwavezero Member Join Date: Nov 2008	they're probably gona change the wording around to be no more MS in the AC timeline, making room for this and so it makes sence in turn a gundam (which was a sequel to all the gundam shows before it)

2010-07-05, 19:29	Link #136
akethy -the one and only- Join Date: Jul 2010	Found a scan of the prologue to Frozen Teardrop... (Anyone want to translate it into English?)

2010-07-05, 19:30	Link #138
akethy -the one and only- Join Date: Jul 2010	Whoops here's the link: http://reggiocomics.blogspot.com/201...rop-large.html

2010-07-05, 19:54	Link #140
Washu-Chan Powered by AMD Athrun 64 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Washington, DC	Based on reading the pages, I'm guessing that it's the prologue. __________________ I know what you're saying. I know what you're saying, but it doesn't matter. Because at this moment, Chiaki is crying her heart out. She's crying because all of this is exactly what she feared. Why won't you understand that? -- Mitsuo Fukuda, dealing with criticism of Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny