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Old 2010-07-04, 15:24   Link #12681
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Looks like the japanese community is pretty much following the same speculations

Young Kinzo and first Beatrice

Future Jessica and Kanon (but where are Jessica's boobs?)

and ShotaKinzo and young Genji



Wait... nobody ever thought the last one here!
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Old 2010-07-04, 15:24   Link #12682
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If the woman in the portrait is future Jessica then I'm guessing the mystery behind her disappearance in EP3 will be explained (because I'm guessing that EP7 will mirror EP3 in the same way that EP5 mirrored EP1 and EP6 mirrored EP2... or at least the characters from it since I didn't read it so I wouldn't know entirely).
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Old 2010-07-04, 15:26   Link #12683
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Ange may be the last successor of the immediate family but there are other Ushiromiyas out there. When they made Kinzo the head they probably didn't just disappear. So it would be reasonable to assume they are still there, if at least not as rich or powerful than before.

And also, if the family has hit on hard times they might do what they did during the Kanto earthquake. Elect a new head and make him (or her) rebuild all the wealth.
Well, I wouldn't outright deny this. Everything we have seen from Ange's time seems to imply that there isn't a family left. Not even a distant one. Afterall if tehre were still Ushiromiya's the wealth could never get to the Kasumi's family and also the control of the money wouldn't have been given to a minor.

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and ShotaKinzo and young Genji



Wait... nobody ever thought the last one here!
While the original spirit from the blonde one could be seens as a guy the portrait looks really femine to me. or maybe it's just me wanting another blonde ojou-sama with pigtail to obsess over.
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Old 2010-07-04, 15:34   Link #12684
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Rough translation. I hate translating lyrics, people love writing them 'vague' for artistry sakes. 8)

その手に託されたもの 今雨の中に (The thing entrusted to the hand, in the middle of this rain)
寄り添えず 彷徨う船には (Unable to get close, the floundering boat is...)
夢の続きがあるから (Because the dream will continue...)

割れて着飾った (Broken and dressed up... (???!))
it's a story on my love (私の愛の話 (despite the Engrish of using 'on' here))

凍て付いた願い それさえも希望に変えて (Frozen wish, even it can be changed to hope)
愛が視える 最期の幻想(ファンタジー) (Love can discern, the final illusion -- FANTASY)
君は眠りから目覚め (You are asleep, so awaken)
幻想が真実へ真実は幻想の中に (Illusion, the truth goes towards, the truth is hidden amongst the illusion)
秘めて ( -- this is the 'hidden' I used in the previous sentence)


Wow.. really really rough translation. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm not willing to put the lyrics into 'correct' English though cuz that would mean messing up the meanings a bit...
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Old 2010-07-04, 15:40   Link #12685
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The HELL happened while I was sleeping?
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Old 2010-07-04, 15:45   Link #12686
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Ep 7 opening lyrics. Tentative (?).


霧のピトス(ゲームサイズバーション)
歌:木野寧、佐倉かなえ
作詞:佐倉かなえ、E.Kida
作曲:ラック眼力、dai
編曲:ラック眼力、dai


この手に託されたもの
今 雨の中に
寄り添えず彷徨う船には
夢の続きがあるから

割れて着飾った
It’s a story of my love
凍て付いた願い
それさえも希望に変えて

愛が見える 最後のファンタジー
君は眠りから目覚め
幻想が真実へ
真実は幻想の中に秘めて


Kiri no Pitosu (Game Size Version)
Vocals: Kino Nei & Sakura Kanae

Kono te ni takusareta mono
Ima ame no naka ni
Yorisoezu samayou fune ni wa
Yume no tsuzuki ga aru kara

Warete kikazatta
It’s a story of my love
Itetsuita negai
Sore sae mo kibou ni kaete

Ai ga mieru saigo no fantajii
Kimi wa nemuri kara mezame
Gensou ga shinjitsu e
Shinjitsu wa gensou no naka ni himete


The Pithos in the Fog (Game Size Version)
Vocals: Kino Nei & Sakura Kanae
Lyrics: Sakura Kanae & E. Kida
Composition: Luck-Ganriki & dai
Arrangement: Luck-Ganriki & dai


That which was entrusted to my hands
Is now within the rain
Because the next part of my dream
Is on the wandering boat that can’t pull close

Shattered and dolled up
It’s a story of my love
A wish is frozen onto me-
Turn even that into hope

In the final fantasy where love is visible
You awake from slumber
And the fantasy enters the truth
Hide the truth inside the fantasy


From http://atashi.wordpress.com/2010/07/...-size-version/
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Old 2010-07-04, 15:46   Link #12687
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Pithos of the Fog? I guess that's the translation of the title, I wonder what it means D:
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Old 2010-07-04, 15:54   Link #12688
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Wait!

Renon and Menon?? They were namedropped, and namedropped stuff often comes back later to play .
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Old 2010-07-04, 15:56   Link #12689
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Renon or Manon ?...apparently s/he is a bad person according to Kanon and Shannon...
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Old 2010-07-04, 15:56   Link #12690
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There were so many "name drops" though...
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Old 2010-07-04, 15:56   Link #12691
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The HELL happened while I was sleeping?
That's how I felt a few hours ago. 8)

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Ep 7 opening lyrics. Tentative (?).

Kiri no Pitosu (Game Size Version)
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秘めて
I get the feeling the guy wrote that because he thought he heard something, even though the end of the song is rather hard to hear.
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Old 2010-07-04, 15:57   Link #12692
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and ShotaKinzo and young Genji



Wait... nobody ever thought the last one here!
Actaully, I did say that they could be Genji and Kumasawa. I really doubt it, though.
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Old 2010-07-04, 15:57   Link #12693
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The thing is, you'd expect a third character (Ruion) to also come in, if that were the case.

As for namedrops - not really. Few people are mentioned by name who haven't appeared yet.
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Old 2010-07-04, 16:04   Link #12694
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Renon or Manon ?...apparently s/he is a bad person according to Kanon and Shannon...
I thought Renon was supposed to be Rena from Higurashi, name dropped as a servant. It explains why the fanmade fake picture of Renon looked like a fat, older Rena. 8)


Anyways, these new characters, especially if they get their own portraits usually take up a lot of screen time. With that much screen time it makes more sense to me if they really are new detectives.

Since Ryukishi is a good writer, as opposed to say, George Lucas, he'll probably want to take us through the story through the eyes of two people investigating the situation. Rather than write a potentially boring "And then this happened.. then this.. then this... And then he screams NOOOO at the end..." Like George.
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Old 2010-07-04, 16:08   Link #12695
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The thing is, you'd expect a third character (Ruion) to also come in, if that were the case.

As for namedrops - not really. Few people are mentioned by name who haven't appeared yet.
1. Renon
2. Manon
3. Asumu
4. Maria's Father
5. Man from 19 years ago... which isn't really a name, but he could still be one of the new characters and we knew about his existence before.
6. Wizard Hunting Wright
7. Pendragon... or however you spell his name. (The Siestas report to him or something)

Also I'm pretty sure that there's another servant who's name I forgot. That would make it 8. I'd consider that a lot of possibilities and I'd hold some characters over Renon and Manon priority wise since I'm pretty sure they were just mentioned in passing to expand the backgrounds of Shannon and Kanon... seeing as they weren't recently mentioned again and didn't even appear in the last episode (which basically revolved around Shannon and Kanon and their love interests and stuff).

I guess you can call it a few but by "so many" I didn't mean like 20 or 30 or anything like that.

Either way my bet is that they're new characters. The majority of people are usually wrong when speculating. People thought that Eva-Beatrice was Maria and that Erika was "Natsuhi-Beatrice" before their identities were confirmed. =/
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Old 2010-07-04, 16:11   Link #12696
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Damn, I go to sleep and find out the thread is exploding. On the new portrait though, I'm gonna take a stab and say that he's probably Wright and the red-hair connection is probably cause Battler would summon him. I mean, if every other witch char can summon other meta-beings, why wouldn't he be able to? Initial hopes reach out for Jessica and badass George still though =P
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Old 2010-07-04, 16:12   Link #12697
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The name of the servants are:

Runon
Renon
Manon
Reinon

there is also Nanjo's granddaughter to consider, and Kinzo's wife of course.
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Old 2010-07-04, 16:13   Link #12698
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Yeah, the names of the servants sortof correspond to the children in Higurashi. Dunno if it's significant or not. In any case, they can't be the actual children, since all "-on" people were raised in the orphanage.

I'd say it'd make sense if the servants decided to investigate the deaths of their colleagues... perhaps. In any case, the girl looks a lot like a servant.

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1. Renon
2. Manon
3. Asumu
4. Maria's Father
5. Man from 19 years ago... which isn't really a name, but he could still be one of the new characters and we knew about his existence before.
6. Wizard Hunting Wright
7. Pendragon... or however you spell his name. (The Siestas report to him or something)
If you cross off the people who have to be someone else on the island (MF19YA, Maria's Father?), the dead person (Asumu) and the people who don't exist, you're left with the servants. In any case, they're Pendragon's memorial troops, right?

Renon is actually talked of in a little detail... we know she's rather lazy, likes to cut corners and is on good terms with Natsuhi, for instance. We also know Shannon and Kanon don't like her... a fair amount of info, I'd say.

Oh, and Wright is a very definate possibility for the guy.

EDIT: I thought it was Ruion... probably misremembering again. And I don't remember about Reinon at all. And for some reason I remember Renon. Maaaan my memory is bad.
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Old 2010-07-04, 16:13   Link #12699
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I've had enough Jessica and George personally... and I didn't even read EP6.

I'm hoping that these two don't add to the romance part of Umineko... those are usually the most boring parts for me (and Ange flashbacks).
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Old 2010-07-04, 16:14   Link #12700
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Renon is actually talked of in a little detail... we know she's rather lazy, likes to cut corners and is on good terms with Natsuhi, for instance. We also know Shannon and Kanon don't like her... a fair amount of info, I'd say.
That's Runon
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