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Old 2004-09-14, 04:13   Link #21
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itachi is no doubt a good ninja but you guys overrate him sooooo much, its like as soon as someone has a sharingan hes god i mean seriously, well i say that oro could beat itachi if he would get his head out of his, oro beleives that the more jutsus someone knows the stronger they are,which is why he beleives itachi is stronger than him because his sharingan can get him infinite jutsus. i dont understand what made jiraya all of a sudden the strongest of the sannin when did this happen, its my beleif that the sannin are equal and if one were to be stronger than the rest it would be oro, but that just my opinion.
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Old 2004-09-14, 04:50   Link #22
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Personally id say that the sannin are just above Itachi's level. Experience coupled with strength is a huge advantage, and the Sharingan isnt the be all and end all of ninja battles.
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Old 2004-09-14, 04:56   Link #23
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Personally id say that the sannin are just above Itachi's level. Experience coupled with strength is a huge advantage, and the Sharingan isnt the be all and end all of ninja battles.
i don't know how you can possibly think that when oro, a ninja full of confidence in his own abilities(the same ninja that took on jiraiya without using his arms, not even knowing jiraiya was drugged), said that he could not take on itachi.
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Old 2004-09-14, 05:14   Link #24
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i don't know how you can possibly think that when oro, a ninja full of confidence in his own abilities(the same ninja that took on jiraiya without using his arms, not even knowing jiraiya was drugged), said that he could not take on itachi.

And we all know that Orochimaru bases his strength on the amount of jutsu's one can aquire and do, and that the sharingan is perfect for that. That in itself is inaccurate as a measure of strength.

But you will probably come back and say that Itachi is god etc, ill probably end up emphesising the points i made, and we will end up in a vicious circle of arguements on Oro vs Itachi who can win who etc.
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Old 2004-09-14, 05:24   Link #25
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the fact is that oro went after jiraiya, knowing full well that he could not use his arms. that clearly shows his expectations of jiraiya. then to say that he's scared of itachi, and not jiraiya(even knowing he can't use his fucking arms), just because of the amount of jutsus he may know is complete and utter horseshit.

i stated why i think itachi is the strongest, but you seem to be avoiding that and simply labeling me as an itachi fanboy, which is not the case.
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Old 2004-09-14, 06:12   Link #26
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the fact is that oro went after jiraiya, knowing full well that he could not use his arms. that clearly shows his expectations of jiraiya. then to say that he's scared of itachi, and not jiraiya(even knowing he can't use his fucking arms), just because of the amount of jutsus he may know is complete and utter horseshit.

i stated why i think itachi is the strongest, but you seem to be avoiding that and simply labeling me as an itachi fanboy, which is not the case.

Your arguement is very, very flawed.

So basically your saying that because Orochimaru confronted Jiraiya without hesitation, and because Orochimaru said that Itachi is stronger than him (basing his strength on amount of jutsu's) You assume that Itachi is greater than the Sannins?

We truely do not know until they actually fight to the end, and they havent, be it manga or anime.
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Old 2004-09-14, 06:22   Link #27
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almost everyone think Itachi is a kind of god .... sure he his powerful , but i think he'd had no chance vs a sannin. Oro is afraid of him because his sharingan can copy all his jutsu ( and he don't want that ^^). If he was THAT powerful, he would be considered as a legend, like the sannin.... and why did he join akatsuki?


well, we ve only seen 3 very powerful attacks, but we didnt see the sannin in action (oro vs sarutobi : he lets the 1st and the 2nd ... , jiraiya-poisoned, tsunade-blood )


and dont you think gai can beat him ??
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Old 2004-09-14, 07:28   Link #28
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almost everyone think Itachi is a kind of god .... sure he his powerful , but i think he'd had no chance vs a sannin. Oro is afraid of him because his sharingan can copy all his jutsu ( and he don't want that ^^). If he was THAT powerful, he would be considered as a legend, like the sannin.... and why did he join akatsuki?


well, we ve only seen 3 very powerful attacks, but we didnt see the sannin in action (oro vs sarutobi : he lets the 1st and the 2nd ... , jiraiya-poisoned, tsunade-blood )


and dont you think gai can beat him ??

Id say Gai would definatly give Itachi a run for his money. Its all about who is most effective against who!

Id probably say Gai's speciality is fighting against a sharingan user, since he's had so much practice against kakashi.

Itachi for example would be very, very effective against Orochimaru, as Orochimaru's skills and techniques are very much Jutsu based, were as Gai is a heavy Taijutsu user from what we have seen, and coupled with some gate usage (speculation) he would have a good chance of killing Itachi, but he would also die in the process.

Going on what Itachi said about Jiriaya, the best outcome of that match for Itachi would have been a stalemate (Even with Kisame's help) so i dont think Itachi is all that.
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Old 2004-09-14, 11:23   Link #29
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But it is kind of strange... I mean Oro just needed to use this darkness jutsu, he used on the 3rd and Itachi could have hundreds of eyes, he wouldn't see anything.
But still he is fearing Itachi, which means even blind he would be very dangerous.
This Darkness jutsu was a Genjutsu, ie not the best match against a Sharingan user especially as good as Itachi.
I'm really not sure that a Genjutsu can blind Itachi like that but it was a Hokage level Genjutsu so it's still possible even if personally I don't think so.

Besides
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Gai would be annihilated by Itachi, his superior speed and strength make him 'only' the equal of Kakashi.
And Itachi is simply better than Kakashi in everything.
Not only that but the Sharingan is able to predict moves by reading through the Taijutsu of the user.

Taijutsu is the worst match for the Sharingan but only because usual Ninjutsu and Genjutsu are almost completely useless against it.
Even if Gai was extremely faster than Itachi which doesn't seem very probable it wouldn't be enough.
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As for Itachi against the Sannin I think they're more or less equal even if Itachi is the absolute worst match for Oro who's a Ninjutsu specialist.

Well equal if they find a way to fight him without looking at his eyes which isn't the simplest thing to begin with.
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Old 2004-09-14, 11:30   Link #30
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, oro beleives that the more jutsus someone knows the stronger they are,which is why he beleives itachi is stronger than him because his sharingan can get him infinite jutsus. i.
I think theres a Mayor Misundertanding with the Oro Statement of Itachi been stroenger than him, let face it Oro says Itachi is Stronger than him, dont come with the "because he can learn a lot of jutsus" wath about kakashi then? does Oro feels that kakshis is stronger than him??????????? BEcause Kakashi can Copy
Jutsu, and knows more than 1000 Jutsus,.....

Maybe Oro saying Itachi was stronger than him was just that a bluff from Oro, i personally think thaht a Oro with his Arm in place can beat Itachi, but itachi is by far up there almost at par with the sannin also, as just one of you said, is also who he has to face..it where be more interesting to see Itachi Figting GAI, because GAI knows hte trick....

Also, dont jump to conclution saying that itachi is low on stamina,!!!!!!! Itachi never stated he was low on chakra..he only said "I need to rest". maybe could it be that waht he needs to do is rest his mind???? or his Eyes??

that something we do not know.... so lets not get away from the facts and make up things
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Old 2004-09-14, 12:05   Link #31
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So far all Itachi has done was throw 1 little eye trick. Cant really say who he will beat until we see him a serious fight.


Itatchi has done more then throw out a little eye trick and lets not forget this little eye trick that he has is extremely deadly. Itatchi has proven himself to be fast as hell with jutsus. So fast that Kakashi cannot not even see his hand seals. He is most likely fast as hell physically as well. Remember how he coutered Sasuke's chidori like it was nothing? Even with Sasuke gain in speed, it was nothing Itachi couldn't handle.
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Old 2004-09-14, 12:06   Link #32
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alright everyone lets be serious about this. in all actuality Itachi is not the strongest character in Naruto. I firmly believe that Jiraiya and Sarutobi are stronger. However, when taking into account the story line you would have to say that if any of these two faught Jiraiya or Sarutobi he would win. Because of the whole "im the only one who can kill that man" Sasuke deal and if Itachi and Jiraiya faught, Jiraiya would probably loose b/c of the qoute stated earlier.

I dont believe that Itachi is the strongest but the storyline of Naruto is going to probably make him the strongest when the time comes. Fact is I know more about Temari's jutsus than I know about Itachis. lol
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Old 2004-09-14, 13:01   Link #33
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Itatchi has done more then throw out a little eye trick and lets not forget this little eye trick that he has is extremely deadly. Itatchi has proven himself to be fast as hell with jutsus. So fast that Kakashi cannot not even see his hand seals. He is most likely fast as hell physically as well. Remember how he coutered Sasuke's chidori like it was nothing? Even with Sasuke gain in speed, it was nothing Itachi couldn't handle.
NO Kakashi could not follow the hand seals because he was watching the Water Clone and not the real Itachi making the Jutsus,so he tought that he the bushin that have the Shurinken in hands was the same making the Jutsu,

but it was not the bushin doing this but the real Itachi that was behind Kakashi!
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Old 2004-09-14, 13:39   Link #34
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itachi over orochimaru simple as that
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Old 2004-09-14, 13:46   Link #35
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Who the fuck told you he hs done a hand seal??? You dont need hand seals to do the MS, it's like an activation of the sharingang: Sasuke never did a hand seal for that. It's sure Itachi would own Oro's ass..... or maybe just kill him
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Old 2004-09-14, 13:49   Link #36
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Who the fuck told you he hs done a hand seal??? You dont need hand seals to do the MS, it's like an activation of the sharingang: Sasuke never did a hand seal for that. It's sure Itachi would own Oro's ass..... or maybe just kill him

When we said seals is not for the M.S. is for the Nimpo suiton seikudeki no jutsu (the water atack)that was in the moment Kakashi did the Water Wall and Itachi Counter with the Water Atack.
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Old 2004-09-14, 13:53   Link #37
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ok...sorry then.
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Old 2004-09-14, 14:12   Link #38
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NO Kakashi could not follow the hand seals because he was watching the Water Clone and not the real Itachi making the Jutsus,so he tought that he the bushin that have the Shurinken in hands was the same making the Jutsu,

but it was not the bushin doing this but the real Itachi that was behind Kakashi!
lol not at all, as Kakashi and Kurenai both said, they just couldn't see him made hand seals for none of the 4 or 5 jutsu that he did in about 30s.
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Old 2004-09-14, 14:13   Link #39
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lol not at all, as Kakashi and Kurenai both said, they just couldn't see him made hand seals for none of the 4 or 5 jutsu that he did in about 30s.
Because they had there eyes on the bushin not the real Itachi
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Old 2004-09-14, 14:29   Link #40
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You invented that Uchiha_Rurik, and it contradicts what the manga says.

The fact is that they didn't see Itachi make hand seals to counter the Genjutsu of Kurenai, to create the Kage Bunshin or to make it explodes, to do his water jutsu attack, to do his water wall to protect himself from the explosion and to replace himself by the Kage Bunshin either by high speed or a Kawarimi.
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