[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni - Ep. 3 Banquet of the golden witch

[Witch of Uncertainty]

^Well, I still wonder..

"Rosa and Maria were killed by other people ".
Not sure this is the only example, but this is definetely a red truth. (Told by Ronove)

"There are no more than 18 people on this island". (Evatrice)
"There are no more than 18 people on this Rokkenjima ". (Beatrice)

Not sure this is because of the translation, or if she says it exactly like that in the original, but at least to me, it looks like she was denied by Ronove there?

Not sure I am allowed to say this here, but Beatrice does state this later ("Were killed by other people"), in episode 4.

[zRyuu]

That means Rosa didnt kill Maria and killed herself. Or Maria didnt kill Rosa and killed herself. They were killed by other people. The other 15 could have done it. Thats all

[Witch of Uncertainty]

Originally Posted by zRyuu

That means Rosa didnt kill Maria and killed herself. Or Maria didnt kill Rosa and killed herself. They were killed by other people. The other 15 could have done it. Thats all

I know that, but that red in itself is proof that the witch didn't do it. In other words, the witch's side confirmed that they (witches) didn't kill them. Of course, unless Beato/Ronove thinks that Evatrice is still human. (Just like evatrice believes herself)

[Jan-Poo]

In the japanese is more ambiguous, there is no real mention of "people" instead the word "他殺" is used, which is just the opposite of suicide, literally "kill by other".

[confused_kitsune]

Upon replaying Ep 3, I stumbled over this screenshot which refers to the cousins complaining about the parents discussing the inheritance.



Wait, why do they use the word 'dead' here? They don't know that Kinzo died. So who are these 'dead with money' they speak of?

[Judoh]

Originally Posted by confused_kitsune

Upon replaying Ep 3, I stumbled over this screenshot which refers to the cousins complaining about the parents discussing the inheritance.



Wait, why do they use the word 'dead' here? They don't know that Kinzo died. So who are these 'dead with money' they speak of?

The idea of distributing the inheritance is that after Kinzo's death they all get a certain amount of money. So it doesn't matter when he dies it will still be a dead man's money that they're talking about.

[confused_kitsune]

I see, thanks.

[cereal_killerxx]

I have now begun Episode 3. I only wish I had more time to read this wonderful story. WISH ME LUCK!

[Witch of Trolling]

Originally Posted by cereal_killerxx

I have now begun Episode 3. I only wish I had more time to read this wonderful story. WISH ME LUCK!

Good luck! (: Episode 3 is my favorite of the question arcs, and I don't think it would be a stretch to say that many people in the fandom feel the same way.

[Xyrius Cherubim]

ep3 is where all the weird things really started, i think, and the first episode that really is so "Umineko". lol
The red truth, the solution of the epitaph riddle, also the first time I thought that Beato is cute....

lol. Good luck!!

[cereal_killerxx]

Originally Posted by Xyrius Cherubim

ep3 is where all the weird things really started, i think, and the first episode that really is so "Umineko". lol
The red truth, the solution of the epitaph riddle, also the first time I thought that Beato is cute....

lol. Good luck!!

Thanks. Tonight is the first night I've gotten to read it since last week when I made it to right after the opening. LET THE GAMES BEGIN.

[Solachinx]

Originally Posted by Xyrius Cherubim

ep3 is where all the weird things really started, i think, and the first episode that really is so "Umineko". lol
The red truth, the solution of the epitaph riddle, also the first time I thought that Beato is cute....

lol. Good luck!!

Spoiler for Possibly for EPs 1 and 2. Just in case:

That also might have to do with something regarding how EP 1 and 2 were written, now that I think of it. (Won't say anymore, because of lolSpoilers)

But yeah, so far EP 3 is my second favorite arc overall (EP 5 being my first so far), and it's my favorite of the Question arc, as it's the only one of the Question Arcs that touched me to the extent that it did. Great pacing, characterization, plot, and mystery. I hope you enjoy, cereal

[Xyrius Cherubim]

Originally Posted by cereal_killerxx

Thanks. Tonight is the first night I've gotten to read it since last week when I made it to right after the opening. LET THE GAMES BEGIN.

Enjoy!!!

Originally Posted by Solachinx

Spoiler for Possibly for EPs 1 and 2. Just in case:

That also might have to do with something regarding how EP 1 and 2 were written, now that I think of it. (Won't say anymore, because of lolSpoilers)

But yeah, so far EP 3 is my second favorite arc overall (EP 5 being my first so far), and it's my favorite of the Question arc, as it's the only one of the Question Arcs that touched me to the extent that it did. Great pacing, characterization, plot, and mystery. I hope you enjoy, cereal

uhhh....yeah. If the novel start with ep3 (as the first episode), I will surely dump this great novel. lol. I have to admit it, I almost decided to stop reading Umineko after finishing reading ep2. But fortunately, ep3 was "powerful" enough to urge me to continue.

[RandomAvatarFan]

I gotta agree with all of you on this one. EP3 is what made me love Umineko, EP4 just kind of cemented that love.

I still can't get over the ending of this though. I fell for it, and I felt violated.

Spoiler for Beatroll:

Witches don't refo~rm

Virgilia is one of my favorite Magic Game Piece, and this where the Meta-Game plot begins to kick into full gear with Bern and Lambda in the Tea Party.

I have a few theories regarding EVA, but I think it's more appropriate to discuss it in EP4's instead of here.

EVA is also made of awesomeness, and is probably the only female character I would ever cosplay as. I love her web of truth she set up at the end; I'm still tangled in it.

I'm also sure that it has the best music in the game. Not only did it debut some of the best tracks, but a few are exclusive to the chapter (i.e. they don't play in EP4)

[Golden Witch Drugs]

I don't really know where to post this question, so I just went ahead and postes it here, where I thought it was the most appropriate.

In the ??? of ep 3 Lambda tells Beatrice that she's only a temporary with under her guardianship, and as soon as she stops being her guardian she will stop being a witch. I was a litle curious about this sentence as it's not really mentioned later on in the series that Lambda is the one who made Beato a witch. My theory was that Lambda was her guardian in the Meta-world, but not on the actual gameboard, so she would allow Beatrice to have the powers as a game master. That's just my interpretation, but is there really another meaning to it?

[Toku]

Originally Posted by Golden Witch Drugs

I don't really know where to post this question, so I just went ahead and postes it here, where I thought it was the most appropriate.

In the ??? of ep 3 Lambda tells Beatrice that she's only a temporary with under her guardianship, and as soon as she stops being her guardian she will stop being a witch. I was a litle curious about this sentence as it's not really mentioned later on in the series that Lambda is the one who made Beato a witch. My theory was that Lambda was her guardian in the Meta-world, but not on the actual gameboard, so she would allow Beatrice to have the powers as a game master. That's just my interpretation, but is there really another meaning to it?

This might help to explain it a little... (beware, spoilers)

Spoiler for Tsubasa:

http://umineko.wikia.com/wiki/TIPS/Lambda%27s_Diary

[jjblue1]

Originally Posted by Golden Witch Drugs

I don't really know where to post this question, so I just went ahead and postes it here, where I thought it was the most appropriate.

In the ??? of ep 3 Lambda tells Beatrice that she's only a temporary with under her guardianship, and as soon as she stops being her guardian she will stop being a witch. I was a litle curious about this sentence as it's not really mentioned later on in the series that Lambda is the one who made Beato a witch. My theory was that Lambda was her guardian in the Meta-world, but not on the actual gameboard, so she would allow Beatrice to have the powers as a game master. That's just my interpretation, but is there really another meaning to it?

Spoiler for Spoilers about 'LambdaDelta's diary' Tip:

According to the Tip, Lambda's Diary, Lambda is the one who recognized Beato as a witch, therefore 'turning her into a witch'. However Lambda placed a condition.

"I liked it.
......... I guess there's no problem.
Upon my name, I recognize you as a witch.
Upon my name, the name of Lamda-Delta, the witch of certainty!
As long as your 'Certain Magic World' continues being 'certain'.
I will continue being your guardian forever...!!"

I think the condition refers to the catbox. As nobody can open it Beato can 'exists' as a witch. However, if someone were to open it and reveal the truth, Beato would stop being a witch because her true nature would be revealed.
Though this is my interpretation.

[Golden Witch Drugs]

Originally Posted by jjblue1

Spoiler for Spoilers about 'LambdaDelta's diary' Tip:

According to the Tip, Lambda's Diary, Lambda is the one who recognized Beato as a witch, therefore 'turning her into a witch'. However Lambda placed a condition.



I think the condition refers to the catbox. As nobody can open it Beato can 'exists' as a witch. However, if someone were to open it and reveal the truth, Beato would stop being a witch because her true nature would be revealed.
Though this is my interpretation.

Ah, that does make sense. I was just a little curious as Lamda wasn't really mentioned during Requiem, which made me a bit confused. But if you put it in a view of the catbox, I guess it makes sense. Thanks!

[Drifloon]

There was actually a line towards the end of Requiem where Bern says something about the Witch of Certainty making 'that kid' into a witch for two days.