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Old 2010-07-22, 15:14   Link #61
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Stupid twist.

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Old 2010-07-23, 08:25   Link #62
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Close enough. As for the clothing... fanservice. Obviously. Just like Rider wore a skin-tight short skirted outfit with a spiffy eyeband boots instead of a toga.

I'm probably going against the flow here... but I really like the dress. The sword is silly, but the dress looks spiffy.

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Stupid twist.

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Well, the idea is that you play the game without looking for spoilers on the net.
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Old 2010-07-23, 09:39   Link #63
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What confuses me is:

Spoiler for Red Saber:


I'm assuming this will all be explained in-game, but it's bugging the hell out of me right now.
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Old 2010-07-23, 09:57   Link #64
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What confuses me is:

Spoiler for Red Saber:


I'm assuming this will all be explained in-game, but it's bugging the hell out of me right now.
Neither Medusa or Medea were particularly heroic either. Then we have Angra Mainyu, the very opposite of heroism, while Fate/Zero gives us the lovely child killer known as Gilles de Rais. Suffice to say that being a great hero isn't really a requirement, you just have to be well known.
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Old 2010-07-23, 10:42   Link #65
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Neither Medusa or Medea were particularly heroic either. Then we have Angra Mainyu, the very opposite of heroism, while Fate/Zero gives us the lovely child killer known as Gilles de Rais. Suffice to say that being a great hero isn't really a requirement, you just have to be well known.
True, but most of the above are at least famous for some great personal accomplishment or story; Medusa was the monster in the legend of Perseus, Medea was a great witch with connections to the Olympian Gods (and may have been a demigoddess herself, I can never recall...), Gilles de Rais was a confidante of Joan of Arc who was also famed for connection to the occult. They're all anti-heroes at best, but they're also all connected to some great feat, even if as a supporting cast or as a major threat to the real hero of 'their' story.

I'd say that our 'Red Saber's' true identity (if that is indeed the correct one), while not unknown by any stretch, doesn't really have that mark of real 'greatness' going for it... except for that one other guy up there.

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Old 2010-07-23, 11:12   Link #66
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But doesn't that logic (that is, great feat unknown to history) basically let anyone become a Heroic Spirit? Unless their life was documented in its entirety, anyone could have done something great that we don't know about. Just seems like a stretch to me.

Seems to me like they just wanted to troll everyone. Make someone who you'd never expect, and with good reason. Same with Rider.
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Old 2010-07-23, 11:12   Link #67
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When it comes to the Fuyuki Grail system,
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However, in this case,

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Old 2010-07-23, 11:14   Link #68
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Fate/Zero gives us the lovely child killer known as Gilles de Rais.
Gilles de Rais was a hero in the battle of Orleans...
Until he went crazy, he was an incredibly heroic knight who had even managed to earn the honor to wear the Fleur de Lis upon his shield.


Additionally, Nero did nothing but be beyond insane.



Wait, Drake, as in the privateer for Elizabeth Sir Francis Drake? If so, does (s)he pull out a boat?
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Old 2010-07-23, 11:26   Link #69
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Gilles de Rais was a hero in the battle of Orleans...
Until he went crazy, he was an incredibly heroic knight who had even managed to earn the honor to wear the Fleur de Lis upon his shield.


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My point is that you don't have to be a 'hero' to be summoned.

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Old 2010-07-23, 11:33   Link #70
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But doesn't that logic (that is, great feat unknown to history) basically let anyone become a Heroic Spirit? Unless their life was documented in its entirety, anyone could have done something great that we don't know about. Just seems like a stretch to me.

Seems to me like they just wanted to troll everyone. Make someone who you'd never expect, and with good reason. Same with Rider.
Well, it seems that you still have to be famous, just that you don't necessarily have to be famous for what you're famous for.

... That came out wrong.

The gist of it is that Angra Mainyu is famous, but the actual event that qualified him to become a heroic spirit isn't part of his legend. So epic spirits must be famous, and must have done some defining thing to qualify them, but the thing they did doesn't always have to be why they're famous. For most heroes, it is, but not all the legends are accurate.

Maybe. I'm just guessing myself, so...

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Additionally, Nero did nothing but be beyond insane.
Well, there are some historians who think he might have actually been a more popular emperor than modern thought gives him credit for, but basically yeah. Hence my above theory: He's famous for being crazy, but did something to give him that extra bump to 'epic' and earn invitation to become a Heroic Spirit that didn't make it into his story.


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Wait, Drake, as in the privateer for Elizabeth Sir Francis Drake? If so, does (s)he pull out a boat?
Well I guess that counts as Riding , but it seems a fairly limited Noble Phantasm. How many battles are going to be taking place near a large enough body of water? Maybe the boat can fly or hover? With cannons and all, that would basically make his/her Noble Phantasm an all-terrain mobile fortress, which would be useful.
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Old 2010-07-23, 12:13   Link #71
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Heroic Servants can only be drawn from the Throne of Heroes. According to the Ring of Reincarnation, when someone dies, they move up or down in their next life depending on their actions. If someone's actions were so great in their life, they are thus removed from the ring entirely and put into the Throne of Heroes. What could Nero have possibly done that was so great?

Drake saved England practically by himself, he was the most famous privateer.
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Old 2010-07-23, 12:23   Link #72
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What could Nero have possibly done that was so great?
If my theory is correct, that's exactly what the game is going to be telling us. What did Nero do that was so great, and why isn't it included in his story today?
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Old 2010-07-23, 18:17   Link #73
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I wonder if there'll be an english patch for this? I'm growing in anticipation~

I wonder if choosing the servant affects the character's personality? (This was brought on by Flinch. Since I can see the similarity in master/servant personality.)
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Old 2010-07-23, 18:41   Link #74
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I wonder if choosing the servant affects the character's personality? (This was brought on by Flinch. Since I can see the similarity in master/servant personality.)
From what I hear, the Servant chosen only affects difficulty.
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Old 2010-07-23, 18:51   Link #75
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Ugh, lameness.
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Old 2010-07-23, 18:52   Link #76
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Well, here they've done it twice in one game.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but did anyone else notice that Sir Bedivere not only had both arms, but was a woman?
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Old 2010-07-23, 18:56   Link #77
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From what I hear, the Servant chosen only affects difficulty.
I second what Flinch said.

They should add that, if it's at all possible. I'd buy it on the spot - plus it has more replay value added to it.

If Flinch could, I'll let him explain what they could do with the integrated system. (I hate explaining.)
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Old 2010-07-23, 19:01   Link #78
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If Flinch could, I'll let him explain what they could do with the integrated system. (I hate explaining.)
The game as a whole sounds like a disappointment from a story perspective, and the battle system doesn't sound too great (janken), but at least you can customize your Servant to some degree?
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Old 2010-07-23, 19:19   Link #79
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From what I read from this thread, this game isn't worth buying...but I'm still curious about it...
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Old 2010-07-24, 01:50   Link #80
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From what I read from this thread, this game isn't worth buying...but I'm still curious about it...
That's what everyone says about their first H-game, then they're addicts.
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