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Old 2010-08-15, 12:03   Link #21
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So, what are the names of all the Maids of Purgatory?
Asune, Berune, Manon, Renon, Runon, Shannon, for Belphe i have no idea...
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Old 2010-08-15, 12:24   Link #22
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Also big thanks from me for continuing your summaries. I think just like me everybody here who isn't versed in Japanese but just wants to at least remotely keep up with all this theorycrafting discussion is really appreciating what you do. Keep up the good work.

Besides I always thought of them as perfectly fine for how they were just meant to give a broad idea of whats the story is dealing with in each chapter. And it really help getting a general feel for the big topic of the EPs.
If you indicate how some things are too complicated to represent clearly or maybe only a half truth or similar stuff, thats really okay for me as we all know that we don't have to expect any more than that in a "right after the release translation session". Besides those parts you were confident about were mostly spot in on the surface level.
Someone who really wants all this little referential stuff and metaphoric to fit perfectly should just keep away from this posts here and read it for himself or wait for the seriously QC'ed translation from WH in half a year (hopefully ^^).

Besides your worries about the Red/Blue/Blue and how they need exacter translations seem unfounded from what gets posted on spoilers thread as there is almost no colored text this time.

I'm not someone to judge the complexity but Renall already made a CTRL-skipping summery of at least the the basics of which characters are present and interacting and which settings are presented for the whole EP in the spoilers thread, so you may want to skip over this stuff to get any idea of what you have to deal with later.
Sounds more disturbing than complex to me at least.
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Old 2010-08-15, 12:26   Link #23
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We need to add back some "love" back to the tea party of EP7, then we would have the Truth.

Now I have to dig back my posts on "Kyrie=Beatrice=mastermind" theory.


I don't believe Kyrie as such a bitch.
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Old 2010-08-15, 12:37   Link #24
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Asune, Berune, Manon, Renon, Runon, Shannon, for Belphe i have no idea...
So, if I'm not mistaken, I heard that at the orphanage Yasu was raised in, there was one orphan who ended up going to Rokkenjima and became Shannon, while Yasu ended up making an alternate personality based off of this person, which ended up becoming the Shannon we're familiar with.

Does this mean Satan is the "real" Shannon, or are we just as lost for that?
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Old 2010-08-15, 14:32   Link #25
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Asune, Berune, Manon, Renon, Runon, Shannon, for Belphe i have no idea...
Which maid corresponds to each of the stakes?
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Old 2010-08-15, 15:24   Link #26
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I think...

Asune = Asmodeus
Berune = Beelzebub
Manon = Mammon
Renon = Leviathan
Runon = Lucifer
Shannon = Satan

And yes, I don't know about Belphegor as well :/
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Old 2010-08-15, 15:44   Link #27
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No, Satan isn't Shannon. I'm currently reading that part again, but Maid Satan and Shannon aren't the same.
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Old 2010-08-15, 16:44   Link #28
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They all end with 'non', so some of those are wrong.

Sanon
Renon
Manon
Berunon
Benon
Anon
Runon

At least, that's what my friend figured out.
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Old 2010-08-15, 17:21   Link #29
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I was told it was the same kanji, so they shoudn't be Benon or Anon.
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Old 2010-08-15, 17:30   Link #30
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That is correct: only the kanji is the same, but the prononciation isn't always the same.
Asmodeus and Belzeebub are called respectively Asune (明日音) and Berune (鐘音).
I guess we will have to update Shannon and Kanon bio tips.

By the way, Lucifer, Leviathan, Satan and Belphegor don't have any name for the whole time we got the first 4 chapters of Claire/Yasu. And no, it cannot be Renon, etc, because these servants are "currently" working on Rokkenjima (1986), so it is impossible for them to be there around, when Yasu/Claire was starting working there.
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Old 2010-08-15, 17:37   Link #31
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So they couldn't still be working there (just Renon, Runon, & Manon)? Wonder what they'd be called then..
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As explained in previous episodes and this one, all of the Fukuin servants only work for the Ushiromiya for 2-3 years (exceptions: Yasu and Shannon), then they are done, and have a good background with the family so they can be introduced elsewhere.

The timeline of Yasu's story is arguably old and we were shown that the 4 "stakes" were done with their work at the main house.
So it is impossible for these 4 to be Renon, Manon etc.
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Old 2010-08-15, 20:16   Link #33
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So "Manon", "Renon", and "Runon" sharing the first syllables of "Mammon", "Leviathan", and "Lucifer", respectively, is just coincidence?

I don't buy that. It's too perfect.
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Old 2010-08-15, 20:29   Link #34
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Old 2010-08-15, 20:42   Link #35
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Will's bio TIP, for anyone who's interested.

Spoiler for Willard H. Wright:

And if you're curious why he's giving up his name...

Spoiler for SSVD:
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Old 2010-08-15, 20:55   Link #36
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Will's bio TIP, for anyone who's interested.

Spoiler for Willard H. Wright:
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Old 2010-08-15, 21:50   Link #37
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Spoiler for Ushiromiya Leon:
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Old 2010-08-15, 21:55   Link #38
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Spoiler for Ushiromiya Leon:

The aunts, uncles and children just got p'wned by a (non-existant?) guy.
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Old 2010-08-15, 22:35   Link #39
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Just a note, the chara TIP (if I'm reading it correctly) is actually completely gender-ambiguous, e.g., the "young man" line just says "youth".

...I imagine it'll be a massive pain to translate such lines, since it's harder to dodge in English by far.
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Old 2010-08-15, 22:42   Link #40
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Just a note, the chara TIP (if I'm reading it correctly) is actually completely gender-ambiguous, e.g., the "young man" line just says "youth".

...I imagine it'll be a massive pain to translate such lines, since it's harder to dodge in English by far.
Yeah, I just realized that too. I'll go back and (try to) change it.

Normally TL notes give me hives, but in a case like this, maybe it would be better to stick a note in the bio and then refer to Leon as "he" by default?
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