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View Poll Results: Byukugan or sharingan?
Byukugan 407 35.51%
Sharingan 647 56.46%
Neither 92 8.03%
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Old 2010-06-26, 23:18   Link #2441
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The Byakugan doesn't give its user any understanding of what goes on, that's actually what the Sharingan does and why it can break down jutsu and foresight Taijutsu among other things.
The Byakugan "only" provides unadulterated informations of all there is around its user. It can see that someone is gathering chakra in his hand but it can't analyze it and inform its user what jutsu it's about. It could be to make a Chidori, or chakra increased punch, or a Rasengan, or anything really. It can see chakra firing inside a body but it can't provide an analysis of what it means and a prediction of its result.

Badically it's a better scanner but it doesn't possess the "software" to run and understand the informations it sees.
Basically yeah, the Sharingan is an advance byakugan when it comes to identifying chakra attacks. It just seems like they created the byakugan to show how much better the sharingan is.
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Old 2010-06-27, 00:13   Link #2442
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The Byakugan doesn't give its user any understanding of what goes on, that's actually what the Sharingan does and why it can break down jutsu and foresight Taijutsu among other things.
The Byakugan "only" provides unadulterated informations of all there is around its user. It can see that someone is gathering chakra in his hand but it can't analyze it and inform its user what jutsu it's about. It could be to make a Chidori, or chakra increased punch, or a Rasengan, or anything really. It can see chakra firing inside a body but it can't provide an analysis of what it means and a prediction of its result.

Badically it's a better scanner but it doesn't possess the "software" to run and understand the informations it sees.
That's a slightly different argument than what I'm making. The understanding I'm referring to is an awareness to whatever is happening within it's range. I'm not claiming that the Byakugan will process then interpret the information for a user in the same way the Sharingan does. But it still provides enough information for the user to anticipate more accurately. What each individual Byakugan user can do with that information will vary as will the amount of information collected but the eye does provide information of what's happening around it to a far greater extent and detail than normal eyes.

As for the punch, rasengan and chidori differentiation... the extent to which the flow in each of the techniques differs or any technique differs would determine the extent of how useful the information is. Whether or not someone can use the information meaningfully is also a another issue.
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Old 2010-07-01, 03:02   Link #2443
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The story dictates that the sharingan be over powered to meet the plot demands. Byukugan has since left the main plot line.
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Old 2010-08-07, 16:04   Link #2444
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Im pretty sure that.... before this series ends.... there will be a sharingan vs byakugan fight in the manga.....
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Old 2010-08-07, 17:35   Link #2445
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What would be the point?

Byakugan: "I can see in every direction!"
Sharingan: "I can shoot black fire and summon demons!"

Tell me how that wouldn't be an embarrassingly short fight.
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Old 2010-08-08, 06:29   Link #2446
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anything could happen

the only one that can shoot a black fire and summon a monster is Sasuke..... as far as I know, I havent seen Tobi and Kakashi doing that.....
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Old 2010-08-08, 10:08   Link #2447
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i wonder if kaiten (rotation) can negate that black arrow... rebounding it might be too much to ask though.
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Old 2010-08-08, 13:39   Link #2448
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i wonder if kaiten (rotation) can negate that black arrow... rebounding it might be too much to ask though.
Well that's a good question. I'm not sure about the arrow, but my thoughts on it's affects on amateratsu I think would be interesting. Since it's pretty much a bubble of chakra if it's strong enough than the person shouldn't be burned. I can see it doing on of two things. Causing a ring of fire surrounding the individual or causing a large funnel of fire which eventually consumes the person.

I also wanted to mention the person must be extremely fast to do a feat like that...

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Old 2010-08-13, 15:21   Link #2449
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Sharingan. Susanoo, Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu enough said.

Seriously though it would be badass if Byakugan had a second relese form.
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Old 2010-08-14, 15:46   Link #2450
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Sharingan. Susanoo, Tsukiyomi, Amaterasu enough said.

Seriously though it would be badass if Byakugan had a second relese form.
Well I think it would be cool if the Byakugan had another lvl, but I never thought that the Byakugan was meant for offensive power.

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One interesting aspect of the Byakugan is it allowing to see tenketsu points. The user can press those points to stop chakra flow, decrease chakra flow and even increase chakra flow. In theory I believe that a Byakugan user should be able to force open their gates much easier.

If the byakugan had another lvl (although it could be argued that Byakugan's second lvl is it's ability to see the tenketsu points), I think it should be something like being able to see things through others eyes. Similar to Ino's technique of entering a person's body, but without the draw back that the person becomes unconscious.
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Old 2010-08-14, 16:25   Link #2451
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i wonder if kaiten (rotation) can negate that black arrow... rebounding it might be too much to ask though.
By definition, Amaterasu burns anything it touches. The way Kaiten works is the user creates a solid shield of chakra, protecting the user from any attack. However, so far we've only seen Kaiten work against physical attacks such as Taijutsu and weapons. He haven't seen how effective it is against chakra attacks or elemental jutsu. I can imagine something like Rasengan or Chidori would break through the shield. When you really think about it, Kaiten is an enlarged version of the Ransengan but it travels only in one direction, whereas the Rasengan spins in every concievable direction. I would imagine, then, that the Amaterasu would break through Kaiten quite easily by burning right through it.

As for the intuitive abilities of either Doujutsu, the Byakugan is the better tool for understanding someone's emotions through their body language, but it doesn't have the predictive abilities of the Sharingan. the Byakugan can see the flow of chakra much like the Sharingan, allowing the user to act on the movement of chakra in some way. However, the Sharingan allows one to know what their opponent will do even before they do in combat and are able to copy them or react in advance. From an outsider's point of view, the Sharingan gives the user faster reflexes than someone who would be using the Byakugan. The Sharingan tells the user what their opponent will do. A Byakugan user still has to figure that out on their own.
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Old 2010-08-14, 21:32   Link #2452
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I prefer the Byakugan, but sadly....I do believe that the Sharingan is more gifted compared to the latter.
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Old 2010-08-15, 03:44   Link #2453
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By definition, Amaterasu burns anything it touches. The way Kaiten works is the user creates a solid shield of chakra, protecting the user from any attack. However, so far we've only seen Kaiten work against physical attacks such as Taijutsu and weapons. He haven't seen how effective it is against chakra attacks or elemental jutsu. I can imagine something like Rasengan or Chidori would break through the shield. When you really think about it, Kaiten is an enlarged version of the Ransengan but it travels only in one direction, whereas the Rasengan spins in every concievable direction. I would imagine, then, that the Amaterasu would break through Kaiten quite easily by burning right through it.

As for the intuitive abilities of either Doujutsu, the Byakugan is the better tool for understanding someone's emotions through their body language, but it doesn't have the predictive abilities of the Sharingan. the Byakugan can see the flow of chakra much like the Sharingan, allowing the user to act on the movement of chakra in some way. However, the Sharingan allows one to know what their opponent will do even before they do in combat and are able to copy them or react in advance. From an outsider's point of view, the Sharingan gives the user faster reflexes than someone who would be using the Byakugan. The Sharingan tells the user what their opponent will do. A Byakugan user still has to figure that out on their own.
Well I think in terms of kaiten it would depend on the user and how far out they can extend the chakra from their body. I'm theorizing if they can create a strong Kaiten that is a good distance from their body they may be able to survive. At least that is what I'm thinking. You have to remember that Neji's absolute defense was compared to Gaara's absolute defense in terms of strength and I doubt that Neji had the strongest Kaiten in the series at that time.

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Old 2010-08-23, 14:02   Link #2454
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What would be the point?

Byakugan: "I can see in every direction!"
Sharingan: "I can shoot black fire and summon demons!"

Tell me how that wouldn't be an embarrassingly short fight.
That was funny

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anything could happen

the only one that can shoot a black fire and summon a monster is Sasuke..... as far as I know, I havent seen Tobi and Kakashi doing that.....
Yeah, But why would a Byakugan user (Neeji or his uncle) fight Kakashi or Madara? And why we as reader would care about that fight, or what that fight would help out to the plot?

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You have to remember that Neji's absolute defense was compared to Gaara's absolute defense in terms of strength and I doubt that Neji had the strongest Kaiten in the series at that time.
You have to remember also that Gaara ultimate defense was pierced by Sasuke Chidory like butter, and it was Sasuke first time using that Jutsu in actual battle. Because Kaiten is just chakra that neeji emits from his entire body, any chakra stronger than the one used for Kaiten is going to be able to destroy it.
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Old 2010-08-23, 14:38   Link #2455
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That was funny



Yeah, But why would a Byakugan user (Neeji or his uncle) fight Kakashi or Madara? And why we as reader would care about that fight, or what that fight would help out to the plot?



You have to remember also that Gaara ultimate defense was pierced by Sasuke Chidory like butter, and it was Sasuke first time using that Jutsu in actual battle. Because Kaiten is just chakra that neeji emits from his entire body, any chakra stronger than the one used for Kaiten is going to be able to destroy it.
Just modifying my point a little in a sense it maybe possible to use kaiten if the person is fast enough and they're able to create a strong enough chakra shield using kaiten its hard really to distinguish if it can but we did see neji block an attack by naruto that was using the fox chakra and at that time he mentioned that it was stronger than the other time he used the fox chakra of course amateratsu is probably stronger but than again amateratsu isn't an attack meant to pierce but It's an attack meant to consume and incinerate
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Old 2010-08-23, 15:55   Link #2456
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Amaterasu hasn't been shown to have momentum once it strikes a target. It ignites whatever the user sees. So once the black flame hits the Kaiten, even if it burns through it, the black flame doesn't continue in a forward motion towards the Kaiten user. It's why when Sasuke and Itachi were fighting, Itachi's black flame didn't burn through Sasukes katon but simply smothered it.

However the effectiveness of Kaiten would be limited by how much of it is engulfed by Amaterasu. If the entire Kaiten is covered by it then the flame will simply fall on top of the user once the Kaitien is either burned through or the Kaiten is taken down.
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Old 2010-08-23, 16:14   Link #2457
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Kishi stated in 1 of his first chapter prologues that he liked sasukes design above all elses. He is a fanboy.. The second people will start complaining about this and sending him Threating messages for him to fix it. He will invent the Mangekyo Byakugan!!!! and THEN we will talk... Right now its unfair.. Mangekyo is a technique that is selfdestructing to the eyes and is seen as a very dangerous S rank technique. You cant compare it to a simple kaiten Im sorry.
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Old 2010-08-23, 20:13   Link #2458
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Amaterasu hasn't been shown to have momentum once it strikes a target. It ignites whatever the user sees. So once the black flame hits the Kaiten, even if it burns through it, the black flame doesn't continue in a forward motion towards the Kaiten user. It's why when Sasuke and Itachi were fighting, Itachi's black flame didn't burn through Sasukes katon but simply smothered it.
Itachi willingly stopped the jutsu by shutting his eye. Had he continued the jutsu, Sasuke would've been burned once his Katon was destroyed.
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Old 2010-08-24, 04:58   Link #2459
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the byakugan vs. sharingan could happen in the manga....

the fight could be...

Kakashi vs. Ao
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Just modifying my point a little in a sense it maybe possible to use kaiten if the person is fast enough and they're able to create a strong enough chakra shield using kaiten its hard really to distinguish if it can but we did see neji block an attack by naruto that was using the fox chakra and at that time he mentioned that it was stronger than the other time he used the fox chakra of course amateratsu is probably stronger but than again amateratsu isn't an attack meant to pierce but It's an attack meant to consume and incinerate
Remember that Neeji only started the motion of the Kaiten and when both chakra collided it created an explosion dissipating Neeji “semi” Kaiten and Naruto’s Kyubi chakra veil.

Besides, Amaterasu burns continuously for 7 straight days, so, is not a question of Amaterasu piercing the Kaiten, rather if Kaiten can stop Amaterasu from consuming the chakra and the user. Not to mention Kaiten is not part of the Byakugan whereas Amaterasu is part of the powers you could have access with the Sharingan.



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the byakugan vs. sharingan could happen in the manga....

the fight could be...

Kakashi vs. Ao


That would end up on both of them been too tired to continue or Ao been sent to another dimension. not to mention, I doubt Ao could do Hyuga clan Jutsus.
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