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View Poll Results: Claymore - Chapter 107 rating
Perfect 10 21 14.89%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 14 9.93%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 16 11.35%
7 out of 10 : Good 20 14.18%
6 out of 10 : Average 8 5.67%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 3 2.13%
4 out of 10 : Poor 3 2.13%
3 out of 10 : Bad 2 1.42%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 1 0.71%
1 out of 10 : Painful 53 37.59%
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Old 2010-09-04, 00:18   Link #841
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Disappointing trump card, we've seen Galatea and even Clare do this to a degree. Better than zombie claymores but still a little uninspiring.

As for Miria, I feel really bad for her and I hope she awakens next chapter with half her body parts missing and goes on a killing rampage and manages to kill at least one of those robbed bastards. All that hype about her superb battle prowess and she gets slain like this.
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Old 2010-09-04, 00:45   Link #842
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Sometimes you have to wonder at what Yagi is thinking - having Miria beaten in this way... if she'd had to run away, it would've made some sense, but this...
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Old 2010-09-04, 00:48   Link #843
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wow what a lame way to die... RIP Miria wander how some of the others will meet their end after seeing this...
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Old 2010-09-04, 01:39   Link #845
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I just notice this, from the japanese raw it says "Miria falls!?" on the last page, unlike from the english scan where there is no question mark at the end. I dunno what Yagi is trying to imply here, maybe he's saying that there's actually a chance that she's still alive or him just trolling Miria fans.

And good job Yagi, Claymore is back. Everyone has been talking about the latest chapter, it's one of the most discussed manga around the web right now.
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I can't help but suspect this as not the true death scene for Miria. It is just too inconsistent with the whole character development so far. This is as if Miria has become from a charismatic, calculating strategist to an indecisive, illogical child. I think Yagi is pulling our legs.

I mean he would obviously know the reactions fans would have with this sort of ending to one of the coolest characters developed in the story line. This must be an awe shock moment so that he can do something really outrageous in the next chapter.

I mean even if we list the inconsistencies it just keeps on piling:
1. Abandoning allies.
2. No strategy or planning.
3. Lack of the will.

Whats more, I even now find it ridiculous about the introduction of no.10. I mean why not a yoki manipulator like Galatea? Even from the battle in Pieta the only person not susceptible to this ability is the berserker hand of Clare. Surely knowing about Galatea' s ability (even Tabitha and Cythia) would easily make Miria realize that even a good yoki manipulator is no match for her. Another thing is if Miria knew of this, why not use a yoki suppressant pill? I mean its not like she uses yoki for her abilities anymore, and all the ghost have excellent yoki sensing now.

Im sure of this as Yagi pulling one on us. I mean why not? There has been chapters where similar endings has happened and revealed only to be false or a deceit.
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Just got back... read most of what I missed. Don't want to comment too much since reading all those very good posts got me kinda worked up... again. BTW for those who don't know me... this isn't too much but actually kinda short Also pretty tired at the moment so I'm hoping I'll make sense...

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I can't believe I'm so late this chapter . Over forty pages already huh? Well Miria is pretty much my favorite character in Claymore and it truly is sad to see her go.

Miria looks finished. It seems so impossible that I can't really come to terms with her death after reading the chapter. In all honesty, Miria was too naive. Her resolve to destroy the organization was not strong enough. If she was able willing to injure Tabitha, and by doing so, risk destroying the trust, camaraderie and everything else that exists between two friends, allies, and, partners, then she certainly should've been able to kill the twins. War is brutal; it is filled with death. However, Miria only thinks of it as a personal vendetta and refuses to bring about death, except for the humans in the org. In this, she is being very selfish. The fates of all future Claymores is essentially in Miria's point at this point. And she decides to be sentimental, now of all times. In this case, as with most, the ends definitely justify the means. If she were to kill the twins and subsequently destroy the organization, she will be saving countless lives: children who will eventually be chosen as claymores and put through the same suffering that Miria herself experienced and is fighting for. Instead, she doesn't want to kill the twins, who, by the way, have lost all sense of self anyways. By doing so, Miria singlehandedly dooms all of the claymores-to-be that she could've saved. IMO, two lives is a bargain for that goal. Also, killing humans and killing allies are almost equally hard. Claymores swear not to kill humans and to break that oath is like abandoning a part of themselves. Killing an ally, on the other hand, is betraying the bond between warriors. Both are serious breaches of loyalty and honor. I don't see why she was determined to do one and not the other.

Another thing is that battles and conflicts are all about taking risks. Sometimes they pay off and sometimes they don't. I don't find anything wrong with Miria taking a risk in attacking the org. That is, if she wasn't the leader. If she was traveling by herself or wasn't the leader, it's perfectly fine for her to attack the org. However, she is the leader of the rest of the surviving Claymores. Like rubel pointed out, her attacking the org shows her limited leadership ability. In battle, for an army to lose their leader/general is pretty much a fatal blow. It will cause dissension, confusion, and chaos; it is the same in this case. Once the other ghosts learn of her death, there will surely be entropy amongst them. It could even force the remaining claymores onto different roads. Without a leader, nothing can be accomplished. As a leader, Miria should've considered the possibility that her death was a possibility. Her last fatal mistake was underestimating the org. The people in the org are definitely not stupid. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to have survived for so long on the island. They wouldn't leave themselves vulnerable to attack, especially since the org was already informed of the possibility of surviving claymores in the north. These are all things that Miria, someone with such acumen, needed to take into account. And yet she failed to.
First off very good post. Conceptually I agree... Miria did fail here. I never really saw Miria as a brilliant strategist just a good tactician... but in Claymore that's miles beyond anyone else except maybe Rubel. She always seemed to have a death wish to me and always wanted to escape her role as leader. That to me really indicated like Clare she would attack her target if an opportunity presented itself, god I was really hoping she'd go west though so much so at times I convinced myself she would. So her choice to go east was pretty much in character. I do wonder how the ghosts will handle things without Miria... in most cases warriors in Claymore look to the strongest for leadership. Which should be Clare even before her merger but with the merger and her duel with Priscilla her ability to take command comes into question. Clare though would naturally be just like Miria looking for every way out of leadership so she can go about her own personal vendettas. Time will tell how far down this leaderless path Yagi will take the story.

I personally was arguing all last chapter for Miria to kill the shrimp twins. While in most cases I'd be laughing at the fool who died for not killing in a war... this whole situation just felt to forced to me to feel natural and to gain any satisfaction in seeing the person believing in there code more than thousands of years of history showing that doesn't work when the enemy isn't willing to talk but only to kill you, spread lies to your would be allies, and take your bases.

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I believe conceptually there was some good elements here but the way they where all gathered up, packaged together, and presented was poor writing. Logically a specific rank trained only to kill other warriors makes sense (she was for inside the hq Galatea/Raphaela where for outside the hq), however lack of foreshadowing and her ability being a super ability on only a lone warrior, which just happened to present herself. While being able to apply a technique known to not work on those with masked auras but somehow magically happens to work at full power the moment even a tiny hint of power is revealed. Is just bad writing no matter the reason behind it. Plus the way Miria was killed was just overboard. I've read many more violent mangas so this in itself doesn't bug me but this isn't the tone Claymore is known for... it broke it's unlisted rule of what to show and what to keep off panel IMHO. This topic has been discussed so much of late, I need a break and I'm sure some of you will want one too. Now on to the ideas that so impressed some...

Lets face it, warriors trained to actually hunt warriors and not ABs with new techniques based on known powers is a good way to make the weaker org have a good weapon. Also makes you wonder why no one else happened to have discovered this ability on there own though when they had all the requirements for it... (must ignore that oversight, or will get angry again... moving on...) With most of the ABs dead, all the AOs dead, the yoma have being ignored plot wise for ages, most if not all of the AFs killed by hellcats, and The Destroyer infecting island gone too then this is a natural direction for the plot to go... I mean what else does the org plan to do with it's spare warriors, just hunt yoma? The org full on hunting the scattered and leaderless ghosts with warriors trained to kill them, might actually be a nice change of pace, closer to Clare's wondering days and the original plot. This assumes Clare not with them... since they could mindfrak her all day while having all the warriors hack her up non sop... and still not cause enough damage to beat her. After all this ability uses yoki so it must strain the users so it is time limited.

I just think this warrior type seemed useless without backup, since she seemed like Beth forced to concentrate to use her power (I might have liked her better if she did the fighting and mindfucking). Her power came off as too overpowered in this situation but limited over all. The buildup for her wasn't on par with what we got, trump card was clearly a poor word choice... a counter to Miria was more like it and those whom might also choose to solo the org. Finally her looks did her no favors (she came off as evil and very static... Please Yagi keep this limit this to Clare and soul-link twins)... She didn't even talk come to think of it... it's almost as if Yagi wanted use to hate her. After all why else would she look just like Rimto?

While I agree with Rubel said about Miria leadership it did counter everything readers had been told about Miria. So saying that then and there almost seemed like a Yagi was risking upsetting Miria fans even more then he was about to. BTW does anyone know if this means Rubel knew of Miria strategy in the North or more recent event... to me it felt like it could mean either...

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Just some speculation... There development likely came about from the need on the mainland to force the regular hybrid warriors into the enemies line and not run away or turn traitor. So I'd expect to see more anti-warrior warriors soon. At least until the org has developed Raki and/or the rods in him into there next super weapon. Likely later in the next arc (if not the one after), with the hunting of everyone but Clare/Priscilla being the next theme.

Once again... I feel this chapter had some very bad writing elements to it. I'm really hoping Yagi will spare Miria too... not since I'm cheering for a fav or because of her cruel death but since this was just so forced writing wise, why not.

Some Random Speculations on how Miria could survive this (besides the frequently listed awakening):
  • Dae will step in to keep her alive... after all he needs his first subject for the first implantation using one of hellcat rods in Raki. To keep her alive until raki shows up as well #10 could yoki heal her just enough to not die, thus keeping her under unconscious.
  • Clarice and Miata show up and save her ass (lets just say Miata smelled warriors blood and Clarice went to find Miria to tell her only to see her putting her old uniform on and blood on her sword so they followed her from some distance using Miata's abilities [if you don't like this insert your preferred reason for them showing up here]), after all they already ran away what's to lose by trying to figure out why Miria just attacked another (you'd want to know who your sleeping next to, right?) . Miata shoving the shrimp twin into the center of that butchering (after all she was standing right next to Miria in the after stabbing her in the gut but she isn't seen in the crowd surrounding the blood spray). While Clarice with her almost nonexistent Yoki wounds #10, since after all she wouldn't likely notice her when distracted with Miata and Miria still being kinda alive. The Miata grabs Miria and both Miata and Clarice run for it. Though Clarice and Miata will have to flee to get Miria to Galatea to yoki heal her (after being healed by Cynthia she should likely have learned this technique).
  • This one is a twist on the awakening idea... since I just don't see how someone who had been sliced by 6 Claymores could awaken. Miria foolishly in her deluded state grabbed Hilda (shrimp twin) to hug her only to pull her in the path of oncoming blades. Miria flips out again and loses control of her yoki (regenerates her just chopped off hand)... whether she just flat out awakens or brings it back under control I leave up to you. One would likely make her one of the last ABs alive the other makes sure the org will want her alive to study.
I personally see the first as the most likely (of the speculation... Though I'm very much leaning with Miria being dead and don't expect this to happen). Since if Yagi was to keep Miria alive after that, why not give her a power boost and infect her when she's grievously injured so she can't resist the effects it will have on her to the full extent (she's already partially awakened so it might not make her go totally mindless). This way she becomes the orgs new superweapon while the org tries to figure out what's up with Raki, never noticing that Miria to is like him but just wasn't able to resist due to being nearly dead at the time of infection. This way the org will have there counter to Clare and/or Priscilla and it's power be explainable... after all besides those two Miria was clearly the next strongest left on the island. Also there would be a huge irony with make Miria there puppet again. Finally the org having Miria and Raki might force Rubel to take some action, since he can't let the org figure out what they got.

Hopefully I didn't sound crazy there... been a LONG few days and I've just had so many thoughts running through my head I just had to post some of them.
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Old 2010-09-04, 02:07   Link #848
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Good post Ryus!!!

Now ur speculations, the one I will go with is the whole "keep here alive and stick a destroyer rod in her!" U know how much I liked the whole infected Dauf and Beth! Also like u said she is half-awakend so she could retain some of her mind in the process. Now I really want Rubel 2 make a move before Raki gets there or when the destroyer awakens! Since those events haven't happend yet in the chap! I want 2 see what the Dragon-kin spy Rubel can do!
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OMG guys I seriously cried at the end This is another one of those pathetic deaths like Isley's. OMG the organization can't even fight fair.

Then again Yagi has brought into light the purpose of number 10s but the claymore's name was weird. Raftela hmm...

Surprising how this thread has already over 40 pages. Nice job guys!
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OMG guys I seriously cried at the end This is another one of those pathetic deaths like Isley's. OMG the organization can't even fight fair.

Then again Yagi has brought into light the purpose of number 10s but the claymore's name was weird. Raftela hmm...

Surprising how this thread has already over 40 pages. Nice job guys!
Lets just say that Miria being kill... no murdered(?) hit most of us harder than what we thought!

Same here #10's name is just a little odd!

Indeed there is no telling how many pages we'll go through!!!!
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OMG the organization can't even fight fair.
That's cause there's no Fair in Warfare
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That's cause there's no Fair in Warfare
Wait I thought it was "All is fair in love and war"?

Edit: Even though this is a very painful chap ( for us Miria fans), I can't believe they didn't have a color page to go with it!
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Wait I thought it was "All is fair in love and war"?
Means the same thing...

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Edit: Even though this is a very painful chap ( for us Miria fans), I can't believe they didn't have a color page to go with it!
I'm not sure I could bare to look at the final 3 pages again... even if in color.
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Nice speculation there Ryus. Im opting for Miria to be alive at this point. It makes sense for the org to take Miria as a lab rat for destroyer testing, though this ending sounds more cruel than death for her

Btw the no.10 name seems to be the most disliked name ever introduced to this manga not just due to the circumstances but Raf?? and tela?? wtf. lol sounds like some kind of wierd candy if you ask me (taffy?)
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Means the same thing...



I'm not sure I could bare to look at the final 3 pages again... even if in color.
Ohh u and them smilies where do u get them from?

@An4rchy99 Maybe #10 or Raphtaffy likes Taffy a lot!!!!!!!
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Nice speculation there Ryus. Im opting for Miria to be alive at this point. It makes sense for the org to take Miria as a lab rat for destroyer testing, though this ending sounds more cruel than death for her

Btw the no.10 name seems to be the most disliked name ever introduced to this manga not just due to the circumstances but Raf?? and tela?? wtf. lol sounds like some kind of wierd candy if you ask me (taffy?)
I've been speculating her capture now for a bit... suppose I hold out hope for this till the bitter end of possibility Yes, it's kinda worse than death but then again...

Yeah, she's also the first Claymore none muscle freak Claymore who looks wise just disgusted me. Her name sucks... and she just has a cheap power that just likely killed Miria, a fav of many. So just what was Yagi thinking here? He's never gone for trying to make someone hated by all... before. Even with other often hated character, Priscilla, he tried to explain her troubled past and Clare said she didn't hate her for awakening... but this... just how could we like her personally? She didn't even say anything just stood there and made herself uglier by using lots of yoki. BTW Has anyone else been able to even get a clue as to where her name comes from?
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Ohh u and them smilies where do u get them from?
Most of the ones recently where from http://forums.narutofan.com/index.php though I've used tons from other places before too.
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Red face

No I haven't gone into looking her name yet!!


But after thinking about it I really want Miria 2 awaken or become infected in a experiment with the destoyer rods. Where she awakens right there at Hq, That way Dae, Rubel, and #10 will be saying this about Miria's power level....





Sorry I needed a laugh, I'm still down after reading the chapter!
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yeah me too ... sry but atm still to tired to read the last 100 or so posts that appeared since yesterday evening I'll try after the next coffee. I'm still shockend and angry, though I guess after reading the translation ...oh well...some stuff makes more sense now, ... that does't mean I woulkdn't still see gaping loopholes though :/
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No, I don't.
Raftela or whatever is capable of creating illusions.Ok.
She created an illusion of Hilda. OK
And Miria simply believed that Hilda was, in fact, alive? Well, how does that work? It makes no sense unless Rabattella can control the entirety of Miria's brain or maybe just her emotions. One way or another, it goes well beyond the simple power of illusions that Not-Rafaella should have.
Was there an explanation on the chapter that I missed?
Rubel says clearly that n.10 technique is able to mess up the deep heart of the target,so it's obvious that it's also an emotional attack.
Even if Miria should know that Hilda is dead,she is too confused to understand 'cause both her heart and mind are in bersek state.
Considering n.10 ability there is nothing wrong in Miria's death.

And btw,if you remember even Claire at the beginning of her mental link with Raph was talking to Jean like it was nothing,and she realized her mistake only in a second time.....and Raph wasn't even trying to confuse Claire.This showed us CLEARLY (and way before this chapter) that in a mind link the target can lose contact with reality.
You can say what you want but n.10 ability makes perfect sense in Claymore's world,and even her existence within the org is absolutely logical.
Even before this chap, it was quite obvious that the org had a secret weapon,complaining now just because Miria is dead (maybe) saying that it's bad writing is just stupid imo.

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