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Old 2010-09-06, 10:47   Link #1201
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...look at the bright side, now you can imagine a lion with fake boobs when thinking about this character.

That's gotta put a smile on your face.
See also: Sakutarou. A blond, vegetarian lion.
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Old 2010-09-06, 10:50   Link #1202
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Just remember that the way how Lion is read in Japanese isn't an allusion to the king of the jungle.
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Old 2010-09-06, 10:54   Link #1203
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...look at the bright side, now you can imagine a lion with fake boobs when thinking about this character.

That's gotta put a smile on your face.
See also: Sakutarou. A blond, vegetarian lion.
You know, that reminds me of some furry porn comic I stumbled upon once... shit.

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Just remember that the way how Lion is read in Japanese isn't an allusion to the king of the jungle.
I know dude, you don't read that as Simba.
Just kidding, but either way, other than Battler, I think R07 had nailed on all the names, but Lion, which is not a name. But well, I guess you can keep things regarding Lion/Yasu's sex up in the air this way.
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Old 2010-09-06, 11:01   Link #1204
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Just kidding, but either way, other than Battler, I think R07 had nailed on all the names, but Lion, which is not a name.
Actually, it is a name, just a very odd one used more for surnames than given names. One of the people with it as a given name is German, so maybe it counts as an Ushiromiya name.

...I wouldn't put it past Natsuhi and Krauss, at least.
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Old 2010-09-06, 11:15   Link #1205
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Actually, it is a name, just a very odd one used more for surnames than given names. One of the people with it as a given name is German, so maybe it counts as an Ushiromiya name.
Oh, my bad then.
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Old 2010-09-06, 12:46   Link #1206
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What? Seriously? Is that a coincidence or your parents really love mystery novels?
My parents really love mystery novels. And my grandparents. I come from a long line of detective fans.

...Which is weird now that I became a mystery writer.


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...I honestly can't figure out what's there to misspell. O_o Mispronounce, possibly, misspell?...
People misspell Willard as Williard an awful lot. Just trust me on that!

@Battler debate:
I liked Battler because it made me think of Mr.Battle from Agatha Christie.
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Old 2010-09-06, 15:28   Link #1207
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Battler isn't really a name no, but it is a word that means a "warrior" or someone who Battles. And like Will said it does have that Christie reference.

Battler isn't really a first name, but there are western names that have the meaning of "Battler" like the names Boris and Tracy.

And there was a WWII ship in the royal navy called the HMS Battler
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Old 2010-09-06, 15:46   Link #1208
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Battler isn't really a name no, but it is a word that means a "warrior" or someone who Battles. And like Will said it does have that Christie reference.

Battler isn't really a first name, but there are western names that have the meaning of "Battler" like the names Boris and Tracy.

And there was a WWII ship in the royal navy called the HMS Battler
Oh god, again with the Evangelion nods? Lion being the official romanization completes that joke, but now theres also a possible habit of naming the kids after ships?

Urgh, I hope were reading too much into this.
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Old 2010-09-06, 16:11   Link #1209
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Battler isn't really a name no, but it is a word that means a "warrior" or someone who Battles.
Note that suffix -er doesn't apply to everything. It only works for people who use things for their occupations/jobs (painter meaning someone who paints, etc). The word 'battle' means 'any conflict or struggle', which is not a job more or less, so sticking -er in the end grammatically does not make sense.

I'm thinking the name Battler came from those western flicks Rudolph adores so much. Not anything WWII-ish. Perhaps a coincidence?
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Old 2010-09-06, 16:23   Link #1210
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yes, the name Batora 戦人 never really made sense even in Japanese pronunciation. It's more like Battler's name is the translation of his name's letters.
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Old 2010-09-06, 16:34   Link #1211
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Just got it confirmed by my German friend - Lion is not a unique name in Germany, antiquated like Friedrich, August or Ferdinand, and not very common, but not unique. Was popular among Jewish families.

Which puts Lion in the Eva/Krauss/Rudolf/Rosa German names group, incidentally.
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Old 2010-09-06, 16:41   Link #1212
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Y'know, has anyone ever actually asked Ryukishi why he named Battler what he is because it's such a weird name?

I s'pose the reason could be obvious or totally unexpected, but it's still an interesting question.
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Old 2010-09-06, 17:01   Link #1213
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Just got it confirmed by my German friend - Lion is not a unique name in Germany, antiquated like Friedrich, August or Ferdinand, and not very common, but not unique. Was popular among Jewish families.

Which puts Lion in the Eva/Krauss/Rudolf/Rosa German names group, incidentally.
Eva and Rosa are german?
Well Eva has the same pronounce in a plethora of different languages and derives from the hebrew Ḥawwāh

Rosa is more frequent in spain, portugal and Italy I think, and derives from the latin "rosa" (rose).
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Eva and Rosa are german?
Well Eva has the same pronounce in a plethora of different languages and derives from the hebrew Ḥawwāh

Rosa is more frequent in spain, portugal and Italy I think, and derives from the latin "rosa" (rose).
Rosa Luxemburg prompted the popularity of the name in Eastern Germany, though she wasn't a native German. Eva Braun prompted the un-popularity, but was a native. Rudolf is natively Germanic, Klaus is a Germanic-shortened form of Nicholas.

They are all used throughout Europe, but I think Germany is the only country where all five (Krauss/Rudolf/Eva/Rosa/Lion) have seen widespread use.
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Old 2010-09-06, 17:28   Link #1215
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My mom comes from Portugal(moved to England when she was little) and her name is Rosa. It's definitely a popular name over there from what she tells me.
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Old 2010-09-06, 17:34   Link #1216
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at any rate they are names from Latin origin (Eva is the latinisation of the hebrew name), so it's kinda odd to classify them as "german" names.

It's the same situation of "Gertrude" which is used in Italy, but it isn't really an italian name.
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Old 2010-09-06, 17:36   Link #1217
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I was always under the impression Ryu probably got the name Battler from 'Le Bateleur,' aka the Magician tarot card. Then again I think it was something I read on the WMG page at TVtropes, but you know. Made sense in my head.
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My mom comes from Portugal(moved to England when she was little) and her name is Rosa. It's definitely a popular name over there from what she tells me.
Though in the way it is pronounced in Umineko, with a stressed O and a voiced S, it is a lot more similar to the German pronounciation of Rosa than the Spanish one which has a much shorter O and a voiceless, sharp S.

Eva's name is a lot more similar to the English version actually, having a voiced V instead of a voiceless one (like an F) as in the German version of the name.
Rudolph is rather unspecified an used in many Germanic languages, though in Germany it would probably be spelled Rudolf.
Krauss is probably really meant to imply Klauss and as someone already said is the German adaption of the name Nikolaus.
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Though in the way it is pronounced in Umineko, with a stressed O and a voiced S, it is a lot more similar to the German pronounciation of Rosa
The italian and latin pronounce is like that.


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Eva's name is a lot more similar to the English version actually, having a voiced V instead of a voiceless one (like an F) as in the German version of the name.
Eva is not a proper english name, the standard is "Eve". If a "Eva" exists in english speaking regions it must have been imported recently.
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Eva's name is a lot more similar to the English version actually, having a voiced V instead of a voiceless one (like an F) as in the German version of the name.
Eva is actually Spanish. So is Maria.

....According the my Spanish textbook, anyway.
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