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Old 2010-09-07, 20:20   Link #7121
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i know there's almost as many people who hate Athena than those who love her,but you must aknoelde thing were more lively when she was here;this forum is pretty much dead nowaday.
good lucas to restore fan interest.
I don't hate Athena for the character, I do dislike Athena for the fandom though. Athena, I believe, didn't especially bring life to the forum at all herself though. I believe it could have been centered around Nagi and the activity would have been just as effective.
It was the drama of the manga and the length of the storyline that brought it. The character seemed to be a factor only when she decided to drop out of the story that fans seemed to think it would never return to that level and vanished.

As for the Hina-tan plotline, I find it rather implausible that anything would have had that drastic an effect on her short of being outright rejected by Hayate (and the other girls would probably stand on her side of the line if it ever came to that).
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Old 2010-09-08, 00:09   Link #7122
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Athena, I believe, didn't especially bring life to the forum at all herself though. I believe it could have been centered around Nagi and the activity would have been just as effective.
It was the drama of the manga and the length of the storyline that brought it. The character seemed to be a factor only when she decided to drop out of the story that fans seemed to think it would never return to that level and vanished.
Individually, I don't think any single character could have anything at all to contribute for a discussion by he/herself. And, I agreed, it could have been centered around anyone and still have the potential to be as effective if the "story/drama/event" concerning them is interesting/exciting/great, etc. However, for about 2XX chapters about the other characters, there wasn't such or much of an excitement that the manga delivered for us to have as much discussion as during Athena's arc.
Broadly, you could say that it was because of the storyline that the "manga" had or the drama that the author created; but, more specifically, it was because of the "character" that the events followed that established the "storyline/drama" that give us the opportunity for the discussions. Like you said, it could have centered around Hayate and Nagi or anyone else, but I think their "story" (or anyone else's) wasn't just that intrigue enough yet compare to Athena's, and they have been together since the manga started for a much longer period of time.

If it was the "drama of the manga" (not that I agree) that have been lagging which indicates that Hata is incompetence to make another great drama before and after Athena's arc, I guess he couldn't make a great plot out of any other character (yet?) besides Athena. So, it was still Athena that made the thread rolling. ^.^
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Old 2010-09-08, 04:46   Link #7123
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Yo, zod. Haven't seen ya in ages. How ya doin'? =)

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Well, that's.... interesting?

I doubt that HnG could ever go in that direction. To be so Hina centered, or whatnot, and 'sides that, Hina doesn't seem as such a weak character for that even to happen.

Why would she leave everyone for her parents without them first explaining anything? Hina is one of the lifelines of HnG. Certainly a Hina centered arc could bring more popularity to it, but Hata did say that he hates overly dramatic things, though he did do that whole Athena thing.

Eh, it's all just so random...

There are far better choices she could have chosen instead of just leaping with her parents. And if Yukiji knew about the truth of why they were abandoned, she could have easily told her instead of letting her leave with such horrible parents, or whatnot. I'm assuming that the truth is bad here, and that her parents are lower than dog shit, but Hina doesn't remember them as such, and nor does Yukiji. Though I'll admit, Yukiji could be lying about it, and Hina's memories could be a tad jumbled up, but that would be... far fetched...

Well, whatever. We could debate more on this when the time comes.

By the way, the raws of 287 are out on LLHayate's blog. Just Google that to find them.
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Old 2010-09-08, 13:34   Link #7124
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Well....It looks like the comedy is back in HnG....
Personally, I loved the drama arcs of this series (specially Athena's), but the truth is that HnG is a comedy series in its nucleus...
I dont know why, but I think mikado will make appearence in this arc xD
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Old 2010-09-09, 04:42   Link #7125
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Well, that's.... interesting?

I doubt that HnG could ever go in that direction. To be so Hina centered, or whatnot, and 'sides that, Hina doesn't seem as such a weak character for that even to happen.

Why would she leave everyone for her parents without them first explaining anything? Hina is one of the lifelines of HnG. Certainly a Hina centered arc could bring more popularity to it, but Hata did say that he hates overly dramatic things, though he did do that whole Athena thing.

Eh, it's all just so random...

There are far better choices she could have chosen instead of just leaping with her parents. And if Yukiji knew about the truth of why they were abandoned, she could have easily told her instead of letting her leave with such horrible parents, or whatnot. I'm assuming that the truth is bad here, and that her parents are lower than dog shit, but Hina doesn't remember them as such, and nor does Yukiji. Though I'll admit, Yukiji could be lying about it, and Hina's memories could be a tad jumbled up, but that would be... far fetched...

Well, whatever. We could debate more on this when the time comes.

By the way, the raws of 287 are out on LLHayate's blog. Just Google that to find them.
Meh, I didn't know that Hata didn't like overly dramatic stuff aside from the Athena's arc. I thought that Hina's birthday arc was also a bit dramatic, but that's just me.

I know that Hina isn't such a weak character, but from what we've seen from Hina's birthday arc, it is not to say that she isn't breakable. She is also weak when it comes to height, so maybe she might have a soft spot for her parents also.

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edit: I still don't see Hata ending the manga without introducing Hina's parents in more depth, neither without a follow-up or touch-up of Hayate's parents.

edit 2: If I remember correctly, and if I am not wrong here, I remember Hata saying something about how he had the idea of his manga to be originally centered around Hina. Don't know if that was true, and don't remember where I got the info/idea from also.

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Old 2010-09-09, 06:43   Link #7126
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If I remember correctly, and if I am not wrong here, I remember Hata saying something about how he had the idea of his manga to be originally centered around Hina. Don't know if that was true, and don't remember where I got the info/idea from also.
You've got it backwards. Yukiji was the main character in a one-shot manga he created once, and he ended up putting both of them into this manga without changing their backstory because he does that kind of thing a lot. Yukiji and Hina have such a detailed backstory because he wrote it all up as part of a different manga and didn't want to let it go to waste.

Still, from what he said in Yukiji's profile, it seemed the emphasis was on Yukiji's efforts to pay off the debts and their eventual adoption, so I don't really think there will be a story about Hina's parents coming back. Hina's story is more about letting go of what happened in the past and being happy with what she has, anyway.

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Old 2010-09-09, 11:30   Link #7127
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If anything happens in the future with Hina-tan and Yukiji's parents, I think it would involve their adopted parents as well, since (at least) Mr. Katsura knows them through having been Yukiji's teacher, and Mrs. Katsura would probably know them as well.

I also don't see Hina-tan ever willing to leave everyone behind. Miki and the rest of the trio helped her to grow into the strong individual we know her as, Hayate let her know that it's alright to love someone, and if nothing else, there's the school connection. I don't believe it's a simple solution for the student body president to suddenly vanish without causing an uproar, and she's also very popular, and she knows it.
She wouldn't be able to leave that all behind, even if she were forced into it somehow.
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Old 2010-09-09, 17:59   Link #7128
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Spoiler for ch 287:
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Old 2010-09-09, 20:24   Link #7129
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It's been out a while, I don't think you really need spoilers...

Nagi's "...Get...OUT." moment was my favorite part of the chapter.

Lots to speculate on with Yozoro there. Whatever she wants, Hayate evidently wasn't the target. She was prepared enough to bring the Gundam model but she seemed taken aback by how pissed off Nagi was. Whoever hired her doesn't know much about Nagi's crush, I don't think.

Also, she seemed to think Hayate was the biggest problem, so she's probably relentlessly hitting on him as a way of keeping him off guard or just distracting everyone from her real motive. There's at least 50/50 odds she'll end up falling for him anyway, though.
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Old 2010-09-10, 02:24   Link #7130
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Is it me, or was Chiharu watching Occult Academy?
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Old 2010-09-10, 03:58   Link #7131
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No idea, UC. I skimmed through it real fast.

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I don't think she'd leave with her parents regardless of the situation. She isn't someone who'd just leave everything and everyone behind for her personal gain. She was with her real parents until the age of.... 4-6? Now she's 16, and she's been with her adopted parents for much longer. They've perfectly adapted to each other by now, and like bastion said, they'd also have a say in this. After all, Hina & Yukiji are now legitimate children of the Katsura household.

'Sides that, she wouldn't leave all of her duties and friends behind. I just don't see that, no matter how much you sugar coat it.

Anyways, that's that. I've got nothing else to add on the matter. Hata will probably do an arc involving Hina's real parents, and it might be surprisingly good and unexpected. Like, it's in the middle of some minor arc, and suddenly they appear and completely mess everything up.

We'll see... for now, it's all about Luca, Yozora, their new home, and a foreshadowed loss in a manga contest.

In the priest's situation, I'd go and stalk her around. She did mention many spiritual - like things, though if a ghost can go through other people's homes & walls, it shouldn't really be that troublesome to follow her, as long as he keeps his distance. Though, she might be able to set up some kind of barrier trap, or whatnot...

Hmm...

I wonder who's she working for.

It's either Mikado, Aika, Luca (might be friends), or some other Sanzen'in family member. Perhaps their motives are completely off. Maybe they're just interested in the house itself. Like some kind of thieves after buried treasure, or whatnot. It's way too early to say...
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I'd say enough hints were given at the beginning of the arc for an urban redevelopment scheme.

The introducing color pages with the high rise.

Hayate commenting that the area is well located, and expressing surprise at all those old wooden houses.

Yukariko's and the cat's promise.
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As for the latest chapter, nothing about Yozora. It was a Nagi-centric chapter. Nothing really happened, and I didn't find it particularly funny, but that's just me.
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Yep, she was watching Occult Academy. The first two episodes of it was quite good, actually. I don't know what happened afterward.

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As for the latest chapter, nothing about Yozora. It was a Nagi-centric chapter. Nothing really happened, and I didn't find it particularly funny, but that's just me.
I am with you, buddy. It feels like a giant advertisement of Jump Square and nothing else.
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Old 2010-09-16, 01:22   Link #7135
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seriously lately the chapters are not that fun especially when its all about Nagi centric >___< last time with Hina and the coffe shop was fun to see..... even last chapter with the new girl was good to watch too...

but now again full nagi chapter <yawn...> nothing really happens... for me kinda nagi spreads the boredom.... when other girls are in it its more fun to watch


well currently the situation with Nagi is soooo clear that we can tell what will happen next..... as for next chapter I see that no one likes and understands that nagi's manga... nagi runs away with tears and gets depressed about her whole plan.... later she decides to draw doujin-style....here Luca appears as a rival to her... so nagis story will get the parts of her improveing her drawing skills to beat luca

so nagi's situation is kinda clear already so its not that interesting or funny...its kinda predictible on her case...... other thing is about other girls Hina, Athena, Nashizawa, Maria or even the new girl from past chapter.... we cant say what will happen with them and where it heads to...

kinda Nagi's whole chapter centric is (at least for me) boring.... I prefer other girls on the screen as they give more fun (like frustrated Hina... or clingy new girl...)

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Old 2010-09-16, 07:43   Link #7136
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Eh, I like Nagi-centric chapters. And Hina has gotten especially tedious for me because nothing ever happens. Nagi at least gets a bit of character growth here and there and the stuff she does actually matters to the plot. Well, I 'll amend that a bit. I'm fine with serious Hina. "Zany love interest" Hina is really, really, tired.

Still, this was a bit of a story-grinding chapter rather then a zany one. I'm glad Ayumu came along too, I was worried she was going to get left out of this arc completely after her birthday.

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Old 2010-09-16, 08:32   Link #7137
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I've got to say that I'm more on the "Nagi-centric chapters are boring" side, but with the Hina chapters, I fully agree with madmac. And that even though I am a rabid Hina shipper.

It's annoying me how Hata has been reducing her to a comedic sidekick lately. It's not really characteristic for her either - in the past, she has struggled with obstacles, but she overcame them, eventually. Like grappling with her own feelings until realizing the truth. Like fighting to apologize to Ayumu, until succeeding and becoming closer friends. Like her stepping back from confessing to save him and Athena.

Now, her inability to deal with her feelings is making her feel stagnant. Storywise, I understand why Hata can't let her act on her interest, but just leaving Hina to rot before the door she must not open is annoying. I'd rather have her drop it and become the usual take-charge savior of justice WITHOUT an interest in Hayate than more of the "at night in a cafe" chapters which only play on the misunderstandings.
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Meh... the latest chapter was... Okay, Nagi has finally realised she's nowhere near the level of a pro mangaka (do tell!). We've also learnt that Azumamiya's family is full of mangaka, but either way, in my opinion, yet another boring episode.

It seems Chiharu and Luca are friends, but I guess that was hinted at the end of the Greece arc.
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sorry to ask but who is Azumamiya
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sorry to ask but who is Azumamiya
Long long ago, there was a guy who had a sword fight with Hina in the Kendo club. His name is Azumamiya.

That's how boring the recent chapter is.
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