2010-09-09, 08:17 | Link #8961 |
Princess or Plunderer?
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You have a point there.
The media's not really helping and is adding more fuel to the fire. On the same article, one guy did give a nice suggestion: when that priest does his stuff, don't watch. Leave him to burn that Quran to ashes.
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2010-09-09, 08:32 | Link #8962 |
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If this guy can burn a bunch of korans, then the people who want to build a mosque/civic center 2 blocks away from ground zero can, freedom of speech and freedom of religion. Doesn't mean I can't call him a bigot/idiot which he is. Again in the United States you don't have the right to be not offended.
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2010-09-09, 08:44 | Link #8963 | |
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But would they prefer to get their own bible-for-burning ?
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2010-09-09, 09:45 | Link #8964 |
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You know, every time I hear about the Internal Security Department in my country inviting people to "have coffee" and start getting angry about them clamping down on the speech of Singaporeans, I just need to look towards the US, and I always go "hmmm, I guess those ISD people aren't so bad after all. Things could certainly be worse without them around."
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2010-09-09, 10:58 | Link #8965 | |
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Not that Americans don't have their own "silence the different thinking" faction. Its just that we've got that pesky "rule of law via the Constitution" to trip them up. And yes, this guy is a maroon... BUT he also exemplifies what is dangerous and wrong about religion. "My version of sky faeries is right and yours is wrong and I'm going to kill you until you see it my way" .... insert any aggressive religious sect of choice. The proper response to extremist Islamic threats (or Christian threats or Jewish threats, etc) is basically "f*** you, I don't belong to your religion and stop trying to enforce it on me." That's what the proper American response should be to *any* such nonsense (be it the Christian Creationists, the Gush Emunim, Wahhabi, or whatever).
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2010-09-09, 11:12 | Link #8966 |
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But the question is, does this man's planned action have the capacity to cause enough of a potential threat for more than just Americans to the point that it may be better for the greater good just to stop him?
Because at this point in global affairs you'd have to be living under a rock not to know consciously that stunts like this is going to piss someone off in some manner. It may be okay over on that side of the Pacific, but everything pisses someone off somewhere, especially things like this. America can't simply brush this off and tell other nations to fuck off and suck it up when you've gotten too many eyes judging you for blatant insensitivity. Again it may be fair game for the nation, but fair game isn't always fair when you have to play ball with the rest of the world.
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2010-09-09, 11:26 | Link #8967 | |
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Yeah, its a balance. And this idiot in Florida is seeking attention (which the news media is bathing him in rather than covering "actually important stuff"). Basically, he's burning books (ala Catch-22, Tom Sawyer, and other books that have been burned) and should be made fun of and pelted with tomatoes. But I'd probably be hurling watermelons at anyone issuing death threats over it.
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2010-09-09, 11:28 | Link #8968 |
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Why people are even giving this Pastor such attention is beyond me. He got exactly what he wanted, and the media, and the rest of the world gave it to him. If everyone just ignored him, he'd eventually go away.
The guy belongs to what, a 50 member church? Not exactly a huge denomination. He's desperate for attention and he's getting it apparently.
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2010-09-09, 12:31 | Link #8969 | |
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2010-09-09, 13:06 | Link #8971 | |
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I won't be surprised if some of their members in that Florida church are as legal-savvy as WBC. (edit) btw I think that Florida church might be breaking a state/local law and may get fined because they didn't get the permit from state or local authorities to burn trash outside (not implying that a holy book = trash) |
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2010-09-09, 13:16 | Link #8973 | |
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Got it from Peter Payne's tweeter feed:
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2010-09-09, 14:37 | Link #8975 |
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To be honest I've trying to find examples of this and have only come across two, both of which were condemned completely. Maybe there are examples of this occuring but if so my google-fu is proving inadequate.
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2010-09-09, 19:58 | Link #8978 |
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OH, GUESS WHAT?
Pastor says Quran-burning suspended, not canceled http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/quran_burning Spoiler for long text:
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2010-09-09, 20:10 | Link #8979 |
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Suppose the Quran burning does get canceled, would it be a victory for tolerance or a defeat for free speech?
The Christian pastor is an idiot for believing Islam causes more harm than any other religion. But it's troubling that an active military general would ask a citizen not to burn a book in a country where freedom of speech and religion are supposed to be a sacred rights. And I'd be willing to bet more Bibles have been burnt by atheists in America than Qurans by Christians. (Whenever missionaries showed up at my high school many of the Bibles they handed out would end up in the trash.) |
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The last one incident about religion was a pastor putting down other religious leaders in a podcast. The ISD didn't do anything at first until those people at STOMP and sgcafe/sgforums started making noise (and someone specifically called for the ISD to lock that pastor up). The ISD called him in for questioning and forced him to denounce his actions. I don't think Singaporeans are ready for the responsibility of freedom of speech. Remember the IMF protest 4 years ago? The government nicely set up barricades for the people and nobody turned up. On the contrary, I think that most Singaporeans are a bunch of closet otaku salarymen who only care if their anime/manga/soccer is being capped by the media distribution organisations - see the Odex figurine protest in 2008 and the red-card protest earlier this year for details. Quote:
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