[MANGA] Bleach Chapter 420 Discussion

[secretzfan]

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Like i said "atleast not anything that he could not have easily been substituted for someone else"
All he did was make a big plot hole... not even using his own powers i might add, but a mine that mayuri gave him... Renji could have done the same. Hell Chad aswell could have made such a hole with one punch... or maybe just punch him out of the tower, seeing as Yammy forgot that he could fly... I think Ruika also might have been able to make sucha whole by freezing the center of the tower; Yammy would break free, but the floors underneath him would have been destoryed

Now using Ishida's mind he was able to pinpoint the exact place to put the mine. Anyone could beat Yammy that is true,but of course Tite didn't want Yammy defeated yet. No renji could not put mines in there exact location like Uryuu

[Wargumm1i]

Im still not convinced that Bleach will end soon.

[Reticia]

I bet someone will appear before he'll use it.

[Wargumm1i]

Its just so hard to imagine Bleach ending....... I mean sure it will one day. But that goes also with Naruto and One Piece. I wonder what kinda effect it will have on people when the time comes.

I for one am not afraid to admit I might loose 25% interest in manga. Since those three all stars were my reason to start reading.

[Gin]

Originally Posted by Ishe

Maybe the Hogyoku allowed them to gain powers from the reatsu that Ichigo was leaking all over the place.

Originally Posted by Slayerx

Nope, the who leaking Reatsu thing was retconed out in favor of the MacGuffin

Well Ai-chan did say that the Hogyoku could be temporarily forced awake by someone with double the reiatsu of a Captain. Its possible that Ichigo's monstrous reiatsu woke the Hogyoku up to give Chad and Orihime their powers.

[Langus]

Can't say I didn't see this coming. There always has to be a sacrifice when the pay off is that big. So long, Aizen (finally).

I think it'd be kind of interesting to see Ichigo go back to being a normal kid again.

There must be some way for him to get that power back though. He's done it before, I'm sure he'll do it again. Urahara has the answer. He always does

[Lendial]

I'm expecting the orb to betray aizen when he nears death and bonds with ichigo and thus creating a 5th dimensional being.

[Calca]

So, Ichigo loses his powers....then Aizen uses his bankai.

Or Ichigo destroys the Hogyoku...Aizen reverts to a shinigami again....and Aizen uses his bankai.

Either way Aizen is using his bankai imo

[SeanQ]

Bleh...it annoys me that Aizen+Shikai > Aizen+Hougyoku -_- I have no doubt Ichigo would be in pieces if Aizen took the five seconds to activate Shikai while Ichigo was looking -_-

[The Small One]

Originally Posted by Gin

Of course he is, Isshin already proved that its possible.

I just want to point out, that we have no hint whatsoever, that it was this which costed Isshin his powers!

Actually it doesn't make much sense, that he lost his powers by using a FGT, because this would ultimately lead to the question against who he was fighting.

[Alchemist007]

Byakuya. He was the first he showed his 'Annihilationscape' to. Which would be interesting since Ichigo beat him in just Bankai mode, and clearly FGT is something of an overkill.

[Gin]

Originally Posted by The Small One

I just want to point out, that we have no hint whatsoever, that it was this which costed Isshin his powers!

Actually it doesn't make much sense, that he lost his powers by using a FGT, because this would ultimately lead to the question against who he was fighting.

You mean besides the fact that he knows what FGT is, and even why Ichigo's zanpakuto would not want to teach the technique to him? How is that not a giant hint? I was even able to guess that FGT would take away Shinigami powers just from Isshin's foreshadowing.

[Lendial]

his shikai has special conditions(what unonhana told him during their travel through the garganta), which might explain why aizen has not used it- he cant.

[Slayerx]

Originally Posted by The Small One

Actually it doesn't make much sense, that he lost his powers by using a FGT, because this would ultimately lead to the question against who he was fighting.

Someone who is very dead now... not sure why that doesn't make sense

[Wiggy Fuzz]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

An outline of the next hundred chapters or so:

1. Ichigo unleashes FGT, WTFpwns Aizen.
2. Ichigo goes emo again in the aftermath as he realizes that he's now powerless, and never got to really reconcile with Hichigo, only to be interrupted by a half-dead Aizen starting to regenerate ("Just as planned...", etc, etc.).
3. Just as Aizen is about to kill Ichigo, everybody shows back up in a Big Damn Heroes moment and Aizen is Killed Off For Real, probably by somebody releasing a bankai we haven't yet seen. It's made abundantly clear that "we couldn't have done it without Ichigo blah blah".
4. Plot coupons from this arc are cashed in, no shinigami or vaizards died, the good/neutral Espada lived and come to an agreement with SS (all hail Queen Nel of HM and her good knight Sir Stark). Gin disappears with Matsumoto. Rukia escorts the humans (and quincy) back to K-Town, since there's NO WAY to bring back his powers. DEFINITELY NO WAY.
5. Ichigo emos some more about being "normal", so Rukia mercifully ends our his suffering by wiping his memories of being a shinigami.
6. Back at school we see that the shinigami have been busy wiping memories, as no one remembers any of the weird stuff, although Ichigo, Orihime, and Chad all have the typical "almost remember moments" that always seem to happen with memory wipes.
7. Ishida of course remembers, and is playing along with Rukia, as a scene with them and Isshin at a deserted Urahara Shop establishes, before Rukia's tearful farewell (tearful for her, at least, as Ishida is as cold as ever).
8. Time passes (insert boring but short "Slice of Life" arc). *cough*time skip*cough*
9. Ichigo gets a visitor one night as an injured Mayuri shows up in his bedroom and lets him wake up just long enough to be freaked out by the bloody face-painted pervert before being knocked out again.
10. Ichigo wakes up out in the desert (actually in the training room under Urahara Shop) to find that he, Orihime, and Chad have all been kidnapped, with the latter two's memories recovered (except Orihime remembered all along--what a tweest!). A few other second-tier shinigami are there as well (including at least one current Lt. in captain's whites), all of whom are looking somewhat worse for wear.
11. SS needs Ichigo again but he has no idea who anyone other than Orhime and Chad are. So just as he's telling them all to kindly f**k off, he gets a jolt of recognition when Mayuri or someone else mentions Rukia offhand, and eventually decides to help them (he is a shounen hero, powered or not).
12. None of Mayuri's grotesque and humorous methods of recovering Ichigo's memory seem to work (including at least one involving Nemu degradation fanservice), so Orihime suggests using her power to bring back his memories. Mayuri just about soils himself at the opportunity to "study" her ability up close and readily agrees.
13. She does her thing, and as everyone and their grandmother sees coming a mile and a half off, not only does Ichigo get his memory back, but his mojo as well (yeah, baby...).
14. A still-somewhat-underpowered Ichigo reforms Tessaiga Zangetsu (2nd form) and asks what happened to everybody. Unsurprisingly, it is revealed that there is a problem in the King's Realm, as a dying Squad 0 member who escaped managed to tell them. Shortly after, the gate to King's Realm opened from the other side, and bad guys started pouring out. Hougyoku-enhanced bad guys.
15. Tite Kubo is assassinated. ...And there was much rejoicing...

Sounds a whole lot like the agent of the shinigami/soul society arc, when Ichigo originally lost his powers...

Thus starting the most hilarious training sequence in history

[Kanon]

Posted by Muguruma on 2ch.

Spoiler:

Wow... Kubo can still come up with incredibly badass designs when he wants to.

[sayde]

^^I'm impressed. Good work Kubo. Now if only you could've done Aizen's evolutions just as much justice...

[astrallionheart]

Ichigo losing his powers is a great tie-in for a year-long anime filler. I believe this happened before (Bount...cough).

[Haak]

This would've been more dramatic had we not seen Ishida pull this stunt 300 chapters ago AND get his powers back through some random method.

[DarkHollowIchigo]

Originally Posted by Kanon

Posted by Muguruma on 2ch.

Spoiler:

Wow... Kubo can still come up with incredibly badass designs when he wants to.

oh my god, that's very nice Kubo * thumbs up*