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Old 2010-09-19, 22:37   Link #81
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It would start up a World War IV. Academy City would force the espers to battle with mages in the bloodiest world conflict in history. Touma would be forced to team up with Aleister and it would end in a final battle against Johann's Pen Index and an Awakened Touma.
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Old 2010-09-19, 23:36   Link #82
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I like to stick to that theory hehehe!
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Old 2010-09-20, 01:45   Link #83
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Chaos2Frozen might have a nice theory going. But who created the homunculus then? And how would Aleister react to it?
Aleister probably doesn't care, or he might just be the creator himself back during his time as a magician.
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Old 2010-09-20, 04:11   Link #84
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I'll just post my two cents on how I see this (See spoilers, just remembered recently light novel info aren't supposed to be discussed outside the LN thread) :

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Old 2010-09-20, 06:54   Link #85
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Aleister probably doesn't care, or he might just be the creator himself back during his time as a magician.
Reading your previous post. I guess maybe is the last move Aleister's wife did before dying, she shouldn't be happy of being used as a tool to summon Aiwass and then discarded after spending years of life together. Reminds me a series where a woman keeps her son alive in order to avenge her against her husband with both, son and father without knowings each other existence.
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Old 2010-09-20, 09:12   Link #86
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Crack theory: Index = Lilicia.

The loli is as old as fuck.
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Old 2010-09-20, 09:43   Link #87
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There must be a reason why she is talented to be so damn powerful and why she is placed above saints(acqua included), Carrisa (with Curtana Original), Accelerator(black wings mode) and only below to Gabriel, Fiamma and Aiwass.

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Ask Komoe.

BTW, reading the lit. of Dragon Breath is... Killing Breath of the Dragon King? Sounds too awesome.

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How is that UBW-like spell that Index used to summon legendary weapons against Stiyl? How it works?
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Old 2010-09-20, 11:58   Link #88
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so the Dragon King breathes...death? ___

also, how does Index cast all those powerful spells without the need for a circle, chant or anything of the sort? unless it's just that the stronger spells are stupidly easy to cast?
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Old 2010-09-20, 12:00   Link #89
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Maybe just like Fiamma does.
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Old 2010-09-21, 01:30   Link #90
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How is that UBW-like spell that Index used to summon legendary weapons against Stiyl? How it works?
No idea, the narrative just said the weapons are appearing one by one, with even multiple copies of the same weapons. Most of the ones Index summon are weapons 'being able to suffocate the enemy just by floating in the air'.

My guess is that Index is using a spell like Emiya's "Trace: On" to mass produce these things. How the heck does she do it, I have no idea, as the narrative is really lacking in the details. This is just one battle in the last Battle Report of Vol21, so I guess not much space is given for these compared to other battles that have a whole chapter dedicated to describing them.
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also, how does Index cast all those powerful spells without the need for a circle, chant or anything of the sort? unless it's just that the stronger spells are stupidly easy to cast?
It's been suggested that Index can do all this since she has the knowledge of 103,000 grimoires - kinda like Edward and Alphonse from FMA being able to transmute objects without a circle since they already have the knowledge from the Gate of Truth.
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Old 2010-09-21, 05:40   Link #91
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but AFAIK, the way magic works in Index is pretty much theurgy, requiring special circles and incantations to borrow the power of angels....

so i don't think knowledge alone should be enough to skip them...?
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Old 2010-09-21, 06:26   Link #92
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but AFAIK, the way magic works in Index is pretty much theurgy, requiring special circles and incantations to borrow the power of angels....

so i don't think knowledge alone should be enough to skip them...?
As if you don't know the magic circle of 'Saint George Cathedral' which she activate is the key for using the 'Dragon Breath'.
http://www12.atwiki.jp/index-index/pages/196.html

P.S. 'Saint George Cathedral' is the spell which control space and time rift.
The space crack where 'Dragon Breath' appears from was created by this.
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Old 2010-09-21, 10:02   Link #93
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In other word a requirement in order to cast spells including UBW??
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Old 2010-09-21, 16:08   Link #94
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Just a question; what is the nature of the 'red wings' exactly? Has it been stated yet?
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Old 2010-09-21, 16:26   Link #95
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Just a question; what is the nature of the 'red wings' exactly? Has it been stated yet?
Same question.
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Old 2010-09-22, 00:19   Link #96
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Just a question; what is the nature of the 'red wings' exactly? Has it been stated yet?
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Same question.
So far, no idea... it wasn't stated in Vol21, at least I haven't read anything about it =/
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Old 2010-09-22, 03:46   Link #97
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As if you don't know the magic circle of 'Saint George Cathedral' which she activate is the key for using the 'Dragon Breath'.
http://www12.atwiki.jp/index-index/pages/196.html

P.S. 'Saint George Cathedral' is the spell which control space and time rift.
The space crack where 'Dragon Breath' appears from was created by this.
but the point still stands, she just projects the circle out of nowhere, without the need to draw it or chant anything(unless it's different in the novel?)
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Old 2010-09-22, 07:48   Link #98
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no she really didn't chant anything when summoning the saint george cathedral. Though dragon's breath had an incantation but you can't use it without the saint george cathedral.

Their is no explanation on red wings. Index just grew red wings on her back while pawning styl.
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Old 2010-09-22, 09:54   Link #99
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So far, no idea... it wasn't stated in Vol21, at least I haven't read anything about it =/
I hope it would be explained the next volume.

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No idea, the narrative just said the weapons are appearing one by one, with even multiple copies of the same weapons. Most of the ones Index summon are weapons 'being able to suffocate the enemy just by floating in the air'.

My guess is that Index is using a spell like Emiya's "Trace: On" to mass produce these things. How the heck does she do it, I have no idea, as the narrative is really lacking in the details. This is just one battle in the last Battle Report of Vol21, so I guess not much space is given for these compared to other battles that have a whole chapter dedicated to describing them.

It's been suggested that Index can do all this since she has the knowledge of 103,000 grimoires - kinda like Edward and Alphonse from FMA being able to transmute objects without a circle since they already have the knowledge from the Gate of Truth.
Poor Stiyl, so his life is doomed? If Touma ever manages to destroy Fiamma's control how is going to do Stiyl with the one who Laura's has? His life is on the border to the other world ready to meet with halFrenda.

I wonder is there is a relation the Norse Mythology and those freaking powerful spells related to the dragon breath and red wings.
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Old 2010-09-22, 11:13   Link #100
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I wonder is there is a relation the Norse Mythology and those freaking powerful spells related to the dragon breath and red wings.
The dragon that eats the root of Yggdrasil, the Nidhogg?
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