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Old 2010-09-23, 07:25   Link #7141
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sorry to ask but who is Azumamiya
The wuss with Nonohara as butler. When Nagi/Hayate visited Hina's kendo club, and Hayate ended up fighting "SAFETY SHUTTER" Nonohara and Hina whacked down Azumamiya (who was jealous about Hayate's closeness with Hina)

The only positive thing I could possibly see about him is his Hina connection. But even so... *yawn*

I'm not sure what Hata is doing at the moment. I think he's trying to establish a new wide-range storyline to develop Nagi, but the limitations he gave her in the past (being little more than a bratty kid living in her own world) will be difficult to overcome. And sorry - it's neither really funny, interesting or dramatic in any way.

*sighs and shakes his head*

Maybe he should have ended the story with the Royal Garden arc after all.
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Old 2010-09-23, 14:47   Link #7142
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I don't think it is as bad as most of you think.

It is necessary for Hata to change Nagi's behavior after she is not rich anymore. She can pass off plenty of antics in the past as a bratty rich kid, which is kinda funny and cute in a way. If she keeps doing the same things as she did in the past after she is not rich anymore, she is just plain annoying.

Whether it is a good move to make Nagi poor is another matter though.
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Old 2010-09-23, 15:43   Link #7143
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The wuss with Nonohara as butler. When Nagi/Hayate visited Hina's kendo club, and Hayate ended up fighting "SAFETY SHUTTER" Nonohara and Hina whacked down Azumamiya (who was jealous about Hayate's closeness with Hina)

The only positive thing I could possibly see about him is his Hina connection. But even so... *yawn*

I'm not sure what Hata is doing at the moment. I think he's trying to establish a new wide-range storyline to develop Nagi, but the limitations he gave her in the past (being little more than a bratty kid living in her own world) will be difficult to overcome. And sorry - it's neither really funny, interesting or dramatic in any way.

*sighs and shakes his head*

Maybe he should have ended the story with the Royal Garden arc after all.
i will give hata credit that he recognize how limited Nagi is as character and that he can only ride rich bratty kid storyline for so long. He either need to change Nagi's character or change main characters.

A lot of mangaka would probably just ride this down in flames for as long as they can without changing anything.
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Old 2010-09-23, 21:48   Link #7144
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Maybe he should have ended the story with the Royal Garden arc after all.


Um ... wow. I ... don't even know what to say. Things must pretty dire for the manga for you to say this.
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I'm not sure what Hata is doing at the moment. I think he's trying to establish a new wide-range storyline to develop Nagi, but the limitations he gave her in the past (being little more than a bratty kid living in her own world) will be difficult to overcome. And sorry - it's neither really funny, interesting or dramatic in any way.
Do you remember all the way back to chapter 269 when Hayate got into his Hermione get up and we left the chapter with the cliffhanger with him trying to seduce Klaus? You recall when next chapter we ended up with the whole thing just resolved off screen and the reason Hata gave on his blog was that he had a writers-block?

Yeah, looking back on that, I think we should have taken that as an indicator for how this arc would be handled.

No matter what limitations Nagi might have as a character, in the hands of a competent writer, they can be overcome, difficult as they may, it's not an impossibility. However, from the looks of, Hata seems to have given his A-game during the Greek Arc, and after that was exhausted and is now just ... not motivated to actually writer a half decent story anymore.
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Old 2010-09-24, 00:32   Link #7145
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Yeah, looking back on that, I think we should have taken that as an indicator for how this arc would be handled.

No matter what limitations Nagi might have as a character, in the hands of a competent writer, they can be overcome, difficult as they may, it's not an impossibility. However, from the looks of, Hata seems to have given his A-game during the Greek Arc, and after that was exhausted and is now just ... not motivated to actually writer a half decent story anymore.
I don't know, this arc is actually looking hopeful now to me.
He's probably already planned out the story from start to finish and just tossing us tidbits.

Maybe that's what this arc is about, showing how hard it actually is for a mangaka.
Most authors just make comments about it in special bits, Hata is actually integrating it into the storyline.
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Old 2010-09-25, 11:20   Link #7146
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No matter how boring recent chapters are, delicious Hina spoiler is still delicious.

http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=897299608
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Old 2010-09-25, 12:12   Link #7147
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No matter how boring recent chapters are, delicious Hina spoiler is still delicious.

http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=897299608
That is quite delicious. Can we get Izumi in on some of this action? She's already gotten closer to the treasured place than anyone else!
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Old 2010-09-25, 12:50   Link #7148
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No matter how boring recent chapters are, delicious Hina spoiler is still delicious.

http://tieba.baidu.com/f?kz=897299608
Warning Miki! Hayate was called a pervert for doing something similar to that in the anime filler XD

Course, this is Miki.. she wouldn't care at all
now if only she gets to play a part in the plot, being called on to help with the manga draft time crunch?
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Old 2010-09-25, 12:53   Link #7149
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is this just the cover for the next chapter? or is Hata seriously interrupting this manga arc midway to add yet another random Hina-filled fanservice chapter? please tell me that is not the case and it continues were the last one left off...

I like my Hina chapters as much as anyone but...seriously, if he did this I would be seriously disappointed.
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Old 2010-09-25, 13:18   Link #7150
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is this just the cover for the next chapter? or is Hata seriously interrupting this manga arc midway to add yet another random Hina-filled fanservice chapter? please tell me that is not the case and it continues were the last one left off...

I like my Hina chapters as much as anyone but...seriously, if he did this I would be seriously disappointed.
There's not much to directly play off of from the previous chapter. That is, unless you just want an entire chapter of the gang drawing manga. There needs to be some sort of time skip, even if it's just a few hours, so there's no real reason why there can't be an interlude.
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I would've liked to see how Hayate will deal with Nagi's newfound "oh god I suck" attitude after seeing the pro's manuscript. But I guess i'll have to wait for next week for that. At least Hina is cute...damn you to hell Hata
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Old 2010-09-25, 19:39   Link #7152
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Posting here and on MF is a pain, so I'll be short.

It might not be a real Hina / Miki chapter at all. In the previous chapter Maria was on the cover, yet she had absolutely nothing to do with it.

It might be the same here. Let's not jump to conclusions, though I already wrote a little possible scenario on MF if it does end up being a chapter about those two.

And that's about all I have to say at the moment.

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What Rah said might be quite true, but the lower right corner of the spoiler picture give me a bit hope that it is going to be Hina chapter.

つかんでいるのは ヒモというより導火線?

What she is holding is more like a fuse than a string?

Here "fuse" is used metaphorically: meaning the "fuse" of some massive or dramatic event.
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つかんでいるのは ヒモというより導火線?

What she is holding is more like a fuse than a string.

Here "fuse" is used metaphorically: meaning the trigger of some massive or dramatic event.
I think the fuse is more about Hina's anger.
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I think the fuse is more about Hina's anger.
That is certainly possible. Maybe I am hoping for too much.
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I think the fuse is more about Hina's anger.
Or fuse of her embarrassment, Miki undoing the top of her dress and then leaving Hina to think that she did that herself in her sleep. "Innocent" comment about who she was dreaming about, perfect line for Miki to use as well.
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Old 2010-09-27, 12:18   Link #7157
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I honestly wouldn't mind a Hina fanservice chapter, if I get the chance to skip the previous borefest. Of course, if we go back to the Yosora storyline, even better.

As for Nagi's limitations, that's how Hata wrote her. He's definitely been developing her throughout the entire manga, that much is undeniable, but I think he should keep the same pace. Trying to develop her at a faster pace, because he probably believes he hasn't developed her enough, currently, I believe is not a good idea. Of course, by the time this arc ends, we may be thinking different, and this turned out to be good. However, as of now, this arc so far, with the exception of Luca and Yosora (and they haven't got too much focus) for most of the part has been rather boring. I'm not even comparing it to the Greece arc, but to any other arc. It's simply plain boring. Naturally, this is just my opinion, but it seems several other people seem to share it. So, that may mean something.
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By the time Nagi develops, I think should be the time when Hina is no longer a pettanko.
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By the time Nagi develops, I think should be the time when Hina is no longer a pettanko.
I'm pretty sure we're not going to see physical development, in any character, but Nagi just hasn't grown into herself (her mother claimed to be an 'E') while Hina-tan's genes seem to imply that she's always going to be flatter (Yukiji is probably less developed there than Sakuya over 12 years difference there).
At best Hinagiku will realize that the guy she likes (and the entire school thinks she's an idol besides -_-) doesn't care, and thus will drop the mental issue of it, but not likely.
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By the time Nagi develops, I think should be the time when Hina confesses to Hayate.
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