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Old 2010-09-29, 19:25   Link #81
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I think no one can take the fact that Aizen is gone for good and were all were believing in another Aizen hax guys Aizen was weak without the hogyoku I suspected that fact Kubo began haxing him when he put the hogyoku inside his body.
You can't be serious in suggesting that Aizen is "gone for good". Has your susceptibility to Kubo's writing gotten to the point that him being out of the picture for one chapter has convinced you that he's not coming back ever?

Come on... Urahara himself said that he's sealing him. Not killing him, sealing him. He might as well have added the "...until he comes back..." himself, because I assure you most every reader in existence was saying that in their heads as they were reading it...

Yeah, we all believed in "another Aizen hax". We still do. Hell, I myself called several chapters ago that Aizen would be taking a little hiatus from the series, but I was only stating what everybody else (most everybody else, at least) already expected...

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Correction they can't as long as Orihime is alive
You do realize that it wasn't Orihime that saved Shiori, right? Or anyone else whose name isn't Ichigo, Ishida, Menoly, or Loli, for that matter. Or any of the dead Espada. At least not so far this arc. Kubo is more than capable of asspulling his way out of killing any "good guys" without his resident Deus ex Leekspin...

We get it. Orihime's healing is overpowered, and you don't like that. Please feel free to spam bring it up again when it's not off-topic, as I get the feeling you'll have plenty of chances over the next few chapters...
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Old 2010-09-29, 19:32   Link #82
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Okay now I have no idea what you are talking about it is a hole. Not like the regular hole to the chest, but a hollow hole. Orihime wouldn't be able to heal Ulquirra's hole either. And when Ulquirra punched his hand into Ichigo's chest he was said have a dark reatsu and this could be a for all hollows. It was like a empty space
Apparently everyone's reiatsu is unique. Ulqs may have been as such because he was the 'despair' Espada. I'm saying that his hand punch reiatsu was difficult, and then the Oscuras hole was even more so because it was a Segunda Etapa level attack. Ichigo didn't start transforming until after a few minutes. We don't know the logic behind his transformation and it may have just been his own powers at work (Shounen power up), not Ulqs.
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Old 2010-09-29, 19:42   Link #83
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No, it wasn't a simple to heal wound. That's the point. It got harder and harder because of the strength of the reiatsu. If Ulq Cero Oscuras'd his head off instead, she still wouldn't be able to heal it, and it's not a hole in the chest.
Okay now I have no idea what you are talking about it is a hole. Not like the regular hole to the chest, but a hollow hole. Orihime wouldn't be able to heal Ulquirra's hole either. And when Ulquirra punched his hand into Ichigo's chest he was said have a dark reatsu and this could be a for all hollows. It was like a empty space
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You can't be serious in suggesting that Aizen is "gone for good". Has your susceptibility to Kubo's writing gotten to the point that him being out of the picture for one chapter has convinced you that he's not coming back ever?

Come on... Urahara himself said that he's sealing him. Not killing him, sealing him. He might as well have added the "...until he comes back..." himself, because I assure you most every reader in existence was saying that in their heads as they were reading it...

Yeah, we all believed in "another Aizen hax". We still do. Hell, I myself called several chapters ago that Aizen would be taking a little hiatus from the series, but I was only stating what everybody else (most everybody else, at least) already expected...
But the fact still remains yes I too thought it wasn't the end of Aizen for good, but I also had realization about his strength maybe he will come back, but come on Kubo took him out for a reason. Aizen was relying to much on the hogyoku this is because Aizen had no true strengh beyone average captain shinigami abilities. Yes he was probaly the world's strongest shinigami, but that is just it he was a shinigami and he had a limit as he said and began relying on the hogyoku to go beyond that limit. From that point he stopped using his zanpaktou's ability, because he was more sure of himself

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Apparently everyone's reiatsu is unique. Ulqs may have been as such because he was the 'despair' Espada. I'm saying that his hand punch reiatsu was difficult, and then the Oscuras hole was even more so because it was a Segunda Etapa level attack. Ichigo didn't start transforming until after a few minutes. We don't know the logic behind his transformation and it may have just been his own powers at work (Shounen power up), not Ulqs.
I don't even know how you can you say that the hollowfication was automatic. Shinji (Example) doesn't just out of now where gains a perfect hollowfiaction. The hole had a lot to do with it that is why it is such crucial element what do you think he has a hole in his chest just to make Orihime seem like she has a limit
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Old 2010-09-29, 21:49   Link #84
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Old 2010-09-29, 22:13   Link #85
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I don't even know how you can you say that the hollowfication was automatic. Shinji (Example) doesn't just out of now where gains a perfect hollowfiaction. The hole had a lot to do with it that is why it is such crucial element what do you think he has a hole in his chest just to make Orihime seem like she has a limit
I'm talking about the injury BEFORE he transformed. That's all it was when it happened, an injury that she couldn't heal.
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Old 2010-09-29, 23:32   Link #86
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I'm talking about the injury BEFORE he transformed. That's all it was when it happened, an injury that she couldn't heal.
But it wasn't a real wound remember it was a hole in his chest that causes his hollowfication that bis why orihime couldn't heal she can't heal hollow holes
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Old 2010-09-30, 00:13   Link #87
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That sounds a lot more speculative than what I'm proposing. The fact is that he was wounded. Hollows are known to occur because of soul chain degradation, not via being shot in the right spot. The evidence is clearly pointing to support where her limitations lie in relation to reiatsu rejection. I won't argue that it certainly helped to speed things along, but that's after a while, and she had caught him before he hit the ground even and tried to heal him. The situation as a whole was unique, perhaps he would've died if she didn't call out for him (since his motivation wouldn't really be there). And who knows, while her power may not be enough to 'heal' a hollow into being a normal soul, maybe if she had enough motivation or something she could do even that. That'd be a pretty awesome thing.
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Old 2010-09-30, 00:23   Link #88
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I guess it would be a neat thing that Orihime motivated Ichigo into "Perfect Hollowfication" but I still said that without the hole it would have never happened and he would have just been dead even with motivation. I mean really the reatsu was probably released from the hole when Orhime began screaming "Kurosaki-kun 500 times turning him into that beast. Yes I know hollows are born with there holes not had it shot through like Ichigo, but that was the ability given to Ulquirra when he hit them in the chest with his hand
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Old 2010-09-30, 00:25   Link #89
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I guess it would be a neat thing that Orihime motivated Ichigo into "Perfect Hollowfication" but I still said that without the hole it would have never happened and he would have just been dead even with motivation. I mean really the reatsu was probably released from the hole when Orhime began screaming "Kurosaki-kun 500 times turning him into that beast. Yes I no hollows are born with there holes not had it shot through like Ichigo, but that was the ablity given to Ulquirra when he hit them in the chest with his hand
Like I said, that's VERY speculative.
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I don't see why it seems like a very reasonable theory
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Because Kubo never said Ulquiorra had such an ability to 'create' hollows. (Just that he liked to shoot people in the chest for fun).
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Well not create hollow more or less, but Ulqurra knew the ablity himself so Grimmjow wouldn't have known fully either. And no Ulquirra punching holes in people's chest has some reason. It leaves a hole there that emits special reatsu. The fact is that I can say being resonable that the cause of Ichigo's transformation was that hole take note that the sound was coming from that hole
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Ok, I see a whole lot more conjecture there than I can fathom at this hour. I will leave it at: I disagree.
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So we are left in disagreement
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Well not create hollow more or less, but Ulqurra knew the ablity himself so Grimmjow wouldn't have known fully either. And no Ulquirra punching holes in people's chest has some reason. It leaves a hole there that emits special reatsu. The fact is that I can say being resonable that the cause of Ichigo's transformation was that hole take note that the sound was coming from that hole
Good Christ Almighty. Ulquiorra does not and did not have the power to 'create' hollows.

Where he put a hole in Ichigo had no special significance as far as Ichigo reaching full Hollowification goes. The important point was simply that Ichigo DIED - that the wound was severe and large enough to cause death (and considering about half his chest was missing I think that counts as severe and large).

The severity of the wound (ie the fact that it was a MORTAL wound) is what allowed him to reach full hollowification. It was a self-preservation maneuver only and had nothing whatsoever to do with any mystic power of Ulquiorra's that you imagined up.
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^This. Ichigo died and his hollow part took over. Period. End of story. There's no rhyme or reason to it (other than him having a hollow part that could take him over) because Kubo had to give Ichigo a massive boost in order to be able to take out Goth Jesus.

That's how true advancement occurs in Bleach. When your ass is kicked long enough, you mystically pull a new (or for some reason previously unused) ability out of said ass and use it to get over (or to trigger your foe's next asspull). Note that if the ability is successful, it is instantly nerfed, and will probably never be more than marginally useful again.

The hole in the chest was symbolic. It was Kubo's ham-handed attempt at foreshadowing.
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Good Christ Almighty. Ulquiorra does not and did not have the power to 'create' hollows.

Where he put a hole in Ichigo had no special significance as far as Ichigo reaching full Hollowification goes. The important point was simply that Ichigo DIED - that the wound was severe and large enough to cause death (and considering about half his chest was missing I think that counts as severe and large).

The severity of the wound (ie the fact that it was a MORTAL wound) is what allowed him to reach full hollowification. It was a self-preservation maneuver only and had nothing whatsoever to do with any mystic power of Ulquiorra's that you imagined up.
hollow ichigo even said he didn't want ichigo getting himself killed, and would intervene at the moment of weakness from ichigo.

it doesn't make sense, whatever the medium, to have a character that can "create something by blasting a hole in something so they can emit a special energy" - you'd have to have pulled that through your arse up past your tongue to have come up with something like that.
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