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Old 2010-10-04, 02:29   Link #441
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actually clutch probably still won't work on logias. the part that is bent into a V shape isn't hit and is still malleable.
You probably right. She definitely can "hold" the head, but she might not be able to break the neck since it's not direct contact...

Well, lets hope Smoker end up being dispatched to Saobody and we'll see how Robin participate in the fight

Anyway, there should be some changes in the Marine now. I hope Coby will be at least a vice admiral now.. (otherwise it will be hard for him to keep up with luffy)
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Old 2010-10-04, 02:35   Link #442
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anyone else not going to be surprised if luffy doesn't do anything about the fake "Strawhats"?
Actually Luffy probably won't do anything, but fake Luffy won't let him go lol
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Old 2010-10-04, 03:52   Link #443
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Yeh won't be surprising..but anti climatic D:
after the occurances of my prediction above, should they come true i can see them getting a stern telling off for being baddies by luffy, maybe even being gomu gomu punched out of the island in a fashion akin to that of team rocket, but to me they seem too weak for the new SH to bother with especially with the likes of the caribou brothers around and other real bounty heads.

after absorbing this chapter i have to say it was just an introduction to the new looks of the SH at best, im assuming itll be another chapter or 2 earliest b4 we get to see them in action and even then their ability probably wont be strained enough for them to pull out the big guns as i imagine kept those for Arc Bosses.
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Old 2010-10-04, 05:01   Link #444
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I'm guessing Luffy couldn't learn detection, since if he couldn't see the fat guy but still knock him over.
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Old 2010-10-04, 06:45   Link #445
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Actually the thing that snaps is the spine. So far the description has been contact effective. We haven't actually seen any logia getting hit on the arm and thereby getting the arm dislocated due to the large force; which is analogous to clutch snapping the spine by leveraging the neck backwards.

In fact it appears that Haki only causes damage but the method of contact doesn't accurately depict the damage received. Otherwise some of the logia admirals would have been shattered or lost some limbs.

But if haki is able to extend beyond the body's boundaries and can be shaped, then we could end up with a haki ball that can capture logias
The purpose and effect of Haki is not just to do damage, it is the measure of a person's will to get something done.

To land a hit on an intangible opponent, to block a normally overwhelming attack, to see something that you can't see with just your eyes, to hear something that can't be heard.

This will definitely work with breaking bones, if you have the will, the Haki, to accomplish it.

We haven't seen anyone with broken bones and such because Oda doesn't really apply such detail to injuries. Injuries are only measured by how much blood is lost and how weak the characters become. Robin is the only character in the whole story to actively break bones, so we can't judge what she can't do with what others can't.
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Old 2010-10-04, 07:28   Link #446
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The purpose and effect of Haki is not just to do damage, it is the measure of a person's will to get something done.

To land a hit on an intangible opponent, to block a normally overwhelming attack, to see something that you can't see with just your eyes, to hear something that can't be heard.

This will definitely work with breaking bones, if you have the will, the Haki, to accomplish it.

We haven't seen anyone with broken bones and such because Oda doesn't really apply such detail to injuries. Injuries are only measured by how much blood is lost and how weak the characters become. Robin is the only character in the whole story to actively break bones, so we can't judge what she can't do with what others can't.
Not sure if you were the one that went around proclaiming the truth of your intepretation of haki previously. There wasn't much point arguing about your explanation previously previously as it wasn't explained and any theory is as valid. But now that Haki has been explained, what you just said is b.s.

A certain type of Haki hits an intangible opponent because it is a property of manifested haki, not just because of your will/ haki to hit the opponent.

Taking your definition, I'll like to see some one having the will/ haki to impregnate a man and manage to do so just by hitting him.
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Old 2010-10-04, 11:17   Link #447
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C.A.'s description of Haki is exactly what Haki is: willpower. Armor Haki is the will to hit someone, and it doesn't work if the attacker's will is weaker than their opponents. Vista should have killed Akainu with his sword, but Akainu was just inconvenienced by it. Whitebeard, by comparison, beat the crap out of Akainu with righteous fury.
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Old 2010-10-04, 11:37   Link #448
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Taking your definition, I'll like to see some one having the will/ haki to impregnate a man and manage to do so just by hitting him.
Ugh. Pregnant men is a thought I can't stand. I'll take pregnant women any day.
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Old 2010-10-04, 12:31   Link #449
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C.A.'s description of Haki is exactly what Haki is
Not really.

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Vista should have killed Akainu with his sword, but Akainu was just inconvenienced by it.
Vista just wasn't strong enough.

Being hit someone doesnt equate to killing him, one must remember that.

Even if Akainu wasn't logia, Vista still wouldn't be able to beat him.
Nothing to do with haki or logia..just a simple question of strength.
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Old 2010-10-04, 12:46   Link #450
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Vista just wasn't strong enough.

Being hit someone doesnt equate to killing him, one must remember that.

Even if Akainu wasn't logia, Vista still wouldn't be able to beat him.
Nothing to do with haki or logia..just a simple question of strength.
No, vista's haki wasn't strong enough...
If Akainu was not a logia that cut to his neck would have been a grevious injury; Vista cut deep into it. And if Vista struck with enough haki it would have been enough to negate the logia fruit to the point where Akainu would be cut and bleed from the injury

From what we can gather from haki is that when two haki users fight, their power's clash... if the attacker's haki is strong enough they can negate or lessen the effects of devil fruits; However if the defender's haki is strong enough then they can maintain their devil fruit powers and not be negated... this is why Vista's attack didn't have a whole lot of effect on akainu, because akainu has much better haki... this is likely also how the 3 admirals stopped Whitebeard's quake attack on the platform; by combining their haki together.
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Old 2010-10-04, 12:54   Link #451
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Early spoiler, so new thread.
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Old 2010-10-04, 19:11   Link #452
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Vista just wasn't strong enough.

Being hit someone doesnt equate to killing him, one must remember that.

Even if Akainu wasn't logia, Vista still wouldn't be able to beat him.
Nothing to do with haki or logia..just a simple question of strength.
If Vista's Haki had worked, Akainu wouldn't have a head. It didn't, and Akainu repaired himself.
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Old 2010-10-05, 00:55   Link #453
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If Vista's Haki had worked, Akainu wouldn't have a head. It didn't, and Akainu repaired himself.
Nope, its like Ace trying to kill WB..was it due to haki?

No he just wasn't strong enough.

Like if a kid was to come up to you and stab you with a pencil. Will it kill you?

Nope.
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Old 2010-10-05, 02:20   Link #454
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Ugh. Pregnant men is a thought I can't stand. I'll take pregnant women any day.
actually on reflection, maybe it isn't that absurd or impossible in one piece. We already have Iva who can turn a man into a woman, why not artificial insemination after that.......

Anyway I think I should apologise to C.A. my reply was rather abrupt. I still maintain that his definition is not in line with what has been explained by the author, but I didn't need to put it so brusquely.
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Old 2010-10-05, 10:03   Link #455
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Nope, its like Ace trying to kill WB..was it due to haki?

No he just wasn't strong enough.

Like if a kid was to come up to you and stab you with a pencil. Will it kill you?

Nope.
That analogy makes no sense. Ace got his ass kicked over and over against Whitebeard without even landing a blow. It has nothing to do with this situation. Vista made a slash clean through Akainu's neck, but didn't cut his head clean off because his Haki wasn't strong enough. Whitebeard beat the crap out of Akainu because his was. It's gt nothing to do with physical power. Haki is willpower, and Whitebeard's is stronger than most.
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Old 2010-10-05, 10:33   Link #456
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actually on reflection, maybe it isn't that absurd or impossible in one piece. We already have Iva who can turn a man into a woman, why not artificial insemination after that.......
I'm not saying it's impossible. I just don't find pregnant men as an attraction. < "BLEAGH" Again I say I'll take pregnant women any day. Though you're right about the idea of artificial insemination.
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Old 2010-10-05, 11:47   Link #457
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Talking Omg!

when I first saw that the chapter was updated, i think i fainted a little, and then when i saw the badass scar on luffys chest i screamed like al ittle girl, then when i came to the full page i thnik i peed a little...it was AWSOME!!!

Luffy: havent changed that much, exept the scar, he still have his little babyface<3

Sanji: what is going on with the eyebrow, but then i saw it was the left eye ^^' and the facial hair! o.o

Usopp:like...WTF!!! he has actually got muscels! and is a little cool

Nami: the brest seem bigger and the hair. i havent decided if i like it or not yet...

Chopper: still little and cwuteee<3 but the hat!! what have happend to the hat :c

Robin: she seemed more..human, and still h-o-t

Brooke: still bones..but a star!? O.o

Franky: he have become...wide...and bald

Zoro: what is up with his hair!! i...like...buhuuu...but ht escar...do he have the eye or is it really gone!!! but he is still howt :'D
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Old 2010-10-05, 14:00   Link #458
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Vista made a slash clean through Akainu's neck, but didn't cut his head clean off because his Haki wasn't strong enough
When did he make a slash clean through Akainu's neck?
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Old 2010-10-05, 14:02   Link #459
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The diagonal cut through Akainu's neck area. Doesn't take his head off, but it slices him pretty good. It would have killed him had the Haki attack worked right.
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