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Old 2010-08-28, 02:45   Link #2941
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When I discovered that Simoun was the all-time favorite of the knowledgeable, wise, and kind Kaoru Chojo, it went on my list immediately.

I finally saw the 1st episode and I must say it's pretty impressive:
  • the world and its dynamics
  • the machinery and architecture
  • the watercolor backgrounds
  • the CGI
  • the constant, yet subtle music (that romantic bombast and then the tango!)
  • girls, girls, girls
The only thing I found strange was when Chor Tempest found the only survivors of Chor Kaput (a fitting name!), they interrogated them and then just dumped them to die.

I've read that the series is hard to get into and gets more rewarding later on. But it seems great from the getgo to me.

I look forward to a rewarding watch.
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Old 2010-08-28, 03:34   Link #2942
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^Yeah it's one of those shows that starts of with the viewers having no idea where this show is headed, though for me that's one of it's great charms. There's some seriously fantastic character development to be had later on, plus you're going to love what the series has to offer going by those points you made.

& i adore the score for this show. Easily one of Toshihiko Sahashi's best works.
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Old 2010-08-29, 01:56   Link #2943
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hi guys i have a question I have been looking for the song The door to a New world and i cant find it any help would be great please
Unfortunately the two OSTs are all we have - the missing tracks have never been released

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^Yeah it's one of those shows that starts of with the viewers having no idea where this show is headed, though for me that's one of it's great charms. There's some seriously fantastic character development to be had later on, plus you're going to love what the series has to offer going by those points you made.
Quoted for truth. If you're willing to put some time and effort into this show you'll be abundantly rewarded.

And a bit of new news, Simoun is being re-released in Japan as a DVD box set next January. Other than the box there don't seem to be any notable extras, but I still live in hope of a Blu-ray release some day.
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Old 2010-08-29, 03:46   Link #2944
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^Bummer. I actually thought that was going to be a Blu-ray boxset then.
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Old 2010-09-02, 04:26   Link #2945
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To episode 5

Well I enjoyed little Rimone's story of overcoming her previous tragedy the one time she took her own initiative.

I'm feeling sympathetic to the poor Argentum guys, suffering terribly and striving so hard to make their miserable lives a little better while the Sky Priestesses just cruise around on their luxury liner eating desserts in the ballroom and don't deign to venture out if they're not in a good mood that day.

I like the idea of the power of sacred geometry, but I hope these guys get over their religiousity and figure out that they're in a life and death struggle, not a prayer meeting. "God helps those who help themselves."

Maybe it could even occur to them that they might actually HELP the poor sods they share the planet with rather than keep them away from the "sacred artifacts" they were just lucky enough to find first. I'm hoping somebody might even get out of the pulpit long enough to open up one of the helical engines so we can discover how it really works.

But it's an interesting study in comparative social development. It reminds me of Lost Exile, but the bad guys there are apparently the good guys here. Maybe this is how the Guild got started on their evil path. But it's early yet. Anything could happen.

The worst offender to me is the noble Shibyura Aurea, Nebireru, who whilst having aquamarine eyes to die for, had best get her head out of her butt and do something besides take strolls in the gardens with her two little ladies-in-waiting. I'm sure she has her own issues, but people are dying while she mulls over her personal problems. How about a little noblesse oblige here?

I think the backgrounds are pastels, not watercolors.
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Old 2010-09-02, 05:43   Link #2946
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Heh. I'd forgotten how much fun it is watching somebody go through Simoun for the first time. I can't wait until he gets to some of the parts that make you go lolwtfbbq.

Keep on going, drobertbaker. You'll be glad you finished it when you do. I've watched the whole show probably about 7 or 8 times, myself. ^__^
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Old 2010-09-02, 08:02   Link #2947
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A first-timer, after this long? This will be entertaining :3

As a matter of fact, I should also watch this again.
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Old 2010-09-02, 10:30   Link #2948
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As a matter of fact, I should also watch this again.
Yes... Yes you should ^__^
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Old 2010-09-19, 18:24   Link #2949
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To episode 13

I was sure glad to see Dad step in and call an end to all the foolishness. The girls were way out of control.

The peace conference was a real wake-up call and Nebireru seemed to get it. She saw the dedication of the Plumbum priestesses to do what they had to do and still maintain their faith, in fact increase it to a fanatical level. She also saw up close the stakes involved.

The girls have now been evicted from the luxury liner and are living altogether (with mice and a leaky roof) in a common dormitory. I hope there's a firehose nearby because sparks will fly!

Just when Nebireru was getting it together, Aaeru sent her back to bed with her unbelievable tactlessness.

The war-driven influx of these low-class and impious Shibyura is certainly fostering change.

I have tried to think of a real-world example of sacred power turned to bellicose ends by necessity. Perhaps some sect of Asian fighting monks that I'm not aware of? The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch?

The closest I could come was the developers of the atom bomb, devout high priests of Science. The ones who came to the fore under pressure were the ones who could rise above their (if any) scruples. Szilard the political fanatic and Fermi the morally invisible man. Oppenheimer played the role of Nebireru the ambivalent leader, equally in love with her instrument of power and her own inscrutability.
Oppenheimer ended up doing what he had to do, but after the war, balked at unanticipated escalation and was cast down, replaced by Teller who was unafraid of the next step.

How far will Nebireru conscientiously go? Or will she see the light of holy destruction? Aaeru and Mamiina certainly have no scruples whatsoever and would both love to be in charge.

I finally heard a groovin' jazz tune I had to have and so got the OSTs. The song turned out to be called "Hashire" (Run!!).

OST 1 has an interesting grouping of music:
  • Female Nation First Movement: Previously Mankind
  • Female Nation Second Movement: Exclusion and Collapse of Male Society
  • Female Nation Third Movement: Preservation and Transformation of the New Variety
  • Female Nation Fourth Movement: Establishment of the Female Nation
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Old 2010-09-27, 17:01   Link #2950
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Hey group leader i got an idea maybe we should make a poll on everybodys favorite characters in the series and have all the group members and such answer what do ya think it might be pretty cool what about you guys who do you like.
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Old 2010-10-13, 05:35   Link #2951
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To episode 20

So Dominura steps up and finally opens a Simoun. And what she sees drives her crazy! What did she see? "Hope".

Apparently Amuria was absorbed into the Simoun as well as the new casualties Dominura and Rimone. It would seem the Simoun run on dead Shibyura.

The girls get back to the Arucus Purima and Paraietta falls to pieces.

The enemy finally find their own Simoun. Uh-oh!

The enemy priestess who blew herself to smithereens shows up intact (but still dead) inside a Simoun. It looks like her extreme faith transferred her into a Simoun at her death as well, not into the engine, but rather placidly propped up at the controls. And our side oddly gives her a lovely funeral.

Mamiina's poor self image costs her her life. She is so happy to be recognized as a real Shibyura that she voluntarily sacrifices herself. Class still rules the day though as she ends up dumped on the ground for the coyotes without even the funeral that the enemy priestess received.

Lastly, it looks like Her Eminence, the High Priestess, has had enough of the military taking over and she is plotting some grand sweeping move to end the war and bring all the parties into a new polity.

To the end
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Wow! So much happens towards the end, but it's well paced, not rushed. It's hard to sum up even the major themes here; The Land of Hope, The Door to a Different World, The Eternal Girl.

A couple of final points of interest:
  • the language that the foreigners speak is backwards Japanese
  • Wapoorifu is apparently male although she has a female body that almost any woman would envy
Events really just provide a backdrop for the real thrust of the story, the character development. So many characters go through such change. They did a wonderful job in keeping control of presenting all that.

All the girls grow up, learn to take responsibility for their lives, become self-reliant, and focus on what's really important to them.

The bottom line seems to be that life always has hard knocks and we are always faced with tough decisions, but we have to follow our hearts and move on.

Given that, no summation can compare with the final group monologue. I have to quote it:

"Why were we all that concerned about sending out Aaeru and Nebiriru to a different world? Was it our being unable to escape from the current of time, because of defiance? Becoming adult was scary; we wanted to stay girls. So we piled those feelings on them? No, definitely something different. We were only carving "We ourselves were definitely here"; shouting in a loud voice the fact that we ourselves were definitely here. Carving, resisting. Aaeru, Nebiriru, I wonder where you are about now, our eternal girls."

You really have to see this for yourself.
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Old 2010-10-15, 17:21   Link #2952
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Good Job ^__^

Now, go watch it again so you'll pick up all the stuff you missed the first time through. Believe me... you miss a lot - I've seen the entire thing 7 or 8 times and I still see new stuff I haven't seen before.
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Old 2010-10-18, 21:56   Link #2953
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Yes! Someone else has watched this! Now we can reprise the whole "Dominura = Onashia" debate
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Old 2010-10-19, 15:30   Link #2954
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yes! Someone else has watched this! Now we can reprise the whole "dominura = onashia" debate :d
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Old 2010-10-26, 21:36   Link #2955
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I read in awebite regarding a comment about Simoun which l some how agree....

"the airships are pretty unrealistic..... why do they have to kiss and only girls get fly a Simoun

.... their enemies are damn slow, so slow that they can be shot down by anti crft guns or something...
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Old 2010-12-01, 14:49   Link #2956
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What do you know, there's life in the old girl yet... The staff blog has been updated for the first time in nearly three years to pimp promote the DVD box set, and for the attention span-challenged they've embraced twitter as well - speaking of which, check out Nishida Asako's avatar

As further proof that old Sybillae never die, AT-X will rebroadcast the show in January 2011.


EDIT: I didn't realise it's Nishida-sensei's birthday today. Someone drew her this cute Aeru as a present.

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Old 2010-12-01, 18:00   Link #2957
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Nishida Asako's avatar is amazing.
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Old 2010-12-08, 02:42   Link #2958
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Box art from Amazon, linked to the full-size versions on the staff blog:

Spoiler for images:

Is it just me or does Aeru look noticeably younger than in the anime?
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Old 2010-12-08, 03:11   Link #2959
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It's just that these likenesses are quite poor.
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Old 2010-12-20, 11:16   Link #2960
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As further proof that old Sybillae never die, AT-X will rebroadcast the show in January 2011.
Dammit, I wish they'd re-master this in HD... orz
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