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Old 2010-10-23, 16:56   Link #481
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Sorry if I go on a tangent here but I just thought of something...

Touma's Imagine Breaker isn't at full power based on what Terra has said. We know that the weird thing inside Touma is being suppressed, most likely by IB. So it's possible that IB's powers are being relegated to suppressing that thing. If (I'm assuming) IB was supposed to be at full power from birth, maybe that strange being was sealed inside Touma after his birth. That would explain why Touma's powers decreased from affecting others to only himself.

I think I might be wrong since I haven't been following the novel discussion recently.
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Old 2010-10-23, 17:58   Link #482
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So in the novel
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Sorry if I go on a tangent here but I just thought of something...

Touma's Imagine Breaker isn't at full power based on what Terra has said. We know that the weird thing inside Touma is being suppressed, most likely by IB. So it's possible that IB's powers are being relegated to suppressing that thing. If (I'm assuming) IB was supposed to be at full power from birth, maybe that strange being was sealed inside Touma after his birth. That would explain why Touma's powers decreased from affecting others to only himself.

I think I might be wrong since I haven't been following the novel discussion recently.
That's what alot of people also think, but I'm kinda hoping Imagine Breaker could be 'refine' even with that thing.
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Old 2010-10-23, 18:18   Link #483
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Have we ever even gotten a clear translation for what Terra said? I can't wait until Teh Ping eventually gets around to translating vol 14, although it seems like his next vol will be 16.
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Old 2010-10-23, 18:58   Link #484
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I just reread that part and here is my speculation

Spoiler for speculation + spoiler novel 22:


I hope this is clear.
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Old 2010-10-23, 22:29   Link #485
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Can someone explain. Does touma have three kinds of powers?

1)Imagine Breaker
2)Thing inside that scared fiamma
3)power that crushed # 2
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Old 2010-10-23, 22:32   Link #486
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I'll post a brief summary of the part in question where Touma lost his right arm:

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After going through that... I'm really starting to think IB isn't Touma's only ability >.>
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Old 2010-10-23, 22:38   Link #487
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I'll post a brief summary of the part in question where Touma lost his right arm:

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After going through that... I'm really starting to think IB isn't Touma's only ability >.>
Thats what I mean:
- I.B.
- Precognition.
- True powers.
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Old 2010-10-23, 22:47   Link #488
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Technically 'precognition' isn't the 'supernatural' kind I was talking about (though granted I didn't specify supernatural)... Touma acquired that from only experience (like Archer Emiya from Fate/Stay Night Visual Novel), it's not like a full blown 6th sense. And Accelerator said it's only partial precognition, as it's not perfected yet.
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Old 2010-10-24, 00:14   Link #489
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I thought we should discuss some of the things the Author described about Touma in his latest afterword.


Spoiler for Vol 22 afterword:
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Old 2010-10-24, 00:37   Link #490
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well touma will probably be out until the rest of the party lvls up some more, or maybe hes totally out now and his role would be now as the cool character everyone remember when having a hard time( a-la gurren laggan).
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Old 2010-10-24, 01:14   Link #491
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Shiage lost to Touma the first time because Shiage has no resolve.

And yeah, Touma stands no chance against those who has a firm resolve. Remember how Aqua of the Back tore him into a broken mop?? And we all know how much Aqua believes in his justice.
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Old 2010-10-24, 01:21   Link #492
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Rather than no resolve, it's more like they're doing things for the wrong reasons.

Why was Aqua any different? Alot of people believe they were doing the right thing as well.
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Old 2010-10-24, 01:56   Link #493
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Yes, and Shiage is aware of that as well, so that is why Shiage breaks down completely when Touma pointed out. That is not the behavior of someone who has resolve. Shiage does not truely believe he is doing what is right. At best, he is only fooling himself. I mean, from the start, he knows he isn't as good as his former boss nor does he think he can be better.

And for Aqua? Aqua believe in his justice without slightest of doubt and put them in action without hesistation. He has no second thought and no regret. His belief of justice border the territory of zealotry.

Compare to Fiamma, who also believe he is "saving the world" but fell short within seconds after Touma begin his lecture. It is obvious to tell how Aqua is different.

Most of all, Touma's greatest weapon, his brainwashing lecture that has converted many is mots likely is not going to work on Aqua. Aqua does not believe in words, justice that can be spoken are just meaning less combination of letters to him. He believe justice can be spoken because those justice has no weight. That is also why Aqua never preaches his justice by words, but by actions and other hints, like the way he did to Knight Leader.
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Old 2010-10-24, 02:21   Link #494
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In that case, I want to see how Aleister would fare, considering that he claims that his 'Illusions' had already been destroyed, or would he be another Fiamma?
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Old 2010-10-24, 02:24   Link #495
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maybe the brainswashing ability doesnt work on people that is actually good.
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Old 2010-10-24, 04:33   Link #496
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In that case, I want to see how Aleister would fare, considering that he claims that his 'Illusions' had already been destroyed, or would he be another Fiamma?
Fianma's a stand up comedian compared to that stone faced guy...
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Old 2010-10-24, 08:25   Link #497
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well touma will probably be out until the rest of the party lvls up some more, or maybe hes totally out now and his role would be now as the cool character everyone remember when having a hard time( a-la gurren laggan).
kamina wasnt exactly the main character. The first ep always pointed to shimon finding his destiny
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Old 2010-10-24, 08:38   Link #498
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A comparison I usually think is Kamina ans Simon with Aqua and Shiage.
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Old 2010-10-24, 10:29   Link #499
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A comparison I usually think is Kamina ans Simon with Aqua and Shiage.
Apperently JC Staff decided to change the character design for Aqua a little

EDIT: I'll post the aqua one on the image thread. Here one of Touma after he obtains his full power.

Spoiler for Kamina Touma:

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Old 2010-10-24, 10:51   Link #500
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That's a cool and awesome photo (anyone who wears those sunglasses automatically becomes the epitome of coolness) but I'm not certain if that photo belongs in this thread.
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