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Old 2010-10-23, 01:13   Link #1221
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-P.S. Since guitar tabs are played an octave down, I realized that all the vocal and keyboard parts will sound an octave lower than they're supposed to be


-It all depends on which song. Obviously, songs sung by Aki Toyosaki sound a lot lower on GTP but songs from Yoko Hikasa, or Asami Sanada sound perfect octave wise. Even if it sounds a little off, you can change the tuning of the guitar parts to Octave up so it's E4-E6 instead of E3-E5.

-so, please explain it to me, uhm, so the songs are one octave down in guitar pro only,
but when you play the tabs in a normal guitar with normal tuning, it would sound fine?

is that it?

-I think it's that, compared to other instruments, if you play something on a guitar, it will be an octave lower than on, say, a piano or a horn. It's just the way it's written.

Ok...I'm not trying to be an ass or anything...but...

The only reason anything would sound an octave lower or higher is if the person who tabbed it didn't tab it right. You have an entire 88 key keyboard to work with as far as range, and I think you'll be extremely hard pressed to find a song that for some reason goes beyond that range.

It's simply untrue that guitar tabs are played an octave "down". That doesn't even mean anything or make sense.

The K-On songs are pretty much all in standard tuning, and we should all be as well, along with the tabs.

For example a C power chord written out

|---|
|---|
|-5-|
|-5-|
|-3-|
|---|

or

|-----|
|-----|
|-----|
|-10-|
|-10-|
|-8--|

The notes for both these shapes are C3, G3 and C4. If a K-On song uses a C power chord. It's gonna be this chord. Those notes, same pitch/octave. If you write it out in GP, its going to be those notes. The same pitch/octave. You can play this same chord on a piano. Same notes, same pitch/octave.

I think maybe you guys are getting your wording confused or something.

It's not that a guitar plays notes "lower" than a piano. It just has a different range.

The basic 24 fret guitar goes from E2 to E6, which is a pretty big range.
A violin can go from G3 to E7
A piano has a range from A0 to A8. Meaning with a piano you can encompass all the notes a guitar can play.

If you tell someone to play a C chord, and they are a piano player, they could play a C in 7 different octaves.

However, since we are all discussing guitar, when you simply say C to a guitarist. 9 times out of ten, its C3, G3, C4, E4.

With other chords, like just say.. E for example. Standard tuning allows for you to play an E

|-0-|
|-0-|
|-1-|
|-2-|
|-2-|
|-0-|

OR

|-7-|
|-9-|
|-9-|
|-9-|
|-7-|
|---|

One beginning in E2, the other E3.
If a song calls for E, (and plenty of K-On songs seem to be in the key of E) you can technically play either one and it'll work.
However, listening to the song you can easily tell which one it is.

So to recap, unless someone screwed up in tabbing.
Every has tab has little choice but to be correct when it comes to being in the right octave.

Now if we're talking about just the vocal melody, then someone could easily screw that up and put it in the wrong octave. Especially since there are harmonies and multiple vocal tracks in the actual song.
However, since you have a full piano range in GuitarPro there is no reason they shouldn't be the right pitch/octave. Especially the keyboard parts.

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Old 2010-10-23, 02:01   Link #1222
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No, we're not talking about the chord octaves but the actual tuning to reach the octaves is what we're talking about. Because Guitar Pro can only go as high a standard 24-30 fret guitar, the highest possible note you can play is an A#7 and as you said before the highest on a piano is A8 making it a 11 semi-tone difference.

In anycase, the official scores only tell what notes are being played, (i.e. C Chord - C E G) but not what octave they are played at. Dear My Keys is a good example because the written official score has it written as just the chords and individual notes. Therefore, the person tabbing the songs would also have to change the tuning of the guitar to match the octave pitch being played from the original song (Instead of C3 E3 G3 turns into C4 E4 G4 but the score says to play C E G).
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Old 2010-10-23, 03:13   Link #1223
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Right, so all the person has to do is sit down and listen to the song and then match the pitch, which isn't difficult. But like I was saying for guitar, it's not like there's much mystery as to what octave the chord or note is going to be in.

If the band score says play an E chord on the guitar. It could really only be one of 2 things unless otherwise specified that there is a super specific voicing (but thats very rare for K-On since its mostly power chords)

It's not as if its up for debate what octave that E is going to be in. It's going to be the natural and logical E chord on a guitar. In the rare cases it's not that's why you listen to the song.

There's no reason to change the tuning of the guitar on your actual guitar or in GP to match the K-On songs.

I did not realize it wasn't a full keyboard in GP, however that still doesn't matter as I don't think there's a single K-On song that hits any notes past that.

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Therefore, the person tabbing the songs would also have to change the tuning of the guitar to match the octave pitch being played from the original song (Instead of C3 E3 G3 turns into C4 E4 G4 but the score says to play C E G).
I'm not sure I really get what you mean here.

Again, I'm just repeating myself but; there's no reason to change the tuning of a guitar as the score assumes its in standard eADGBE tuning. If the score tells you to play a C chord, play a C chord.

Unless of course you're talking about changing the tuning of the guitar track IN guitar pro in order to get the vocals and keyboards right. Which I know you were mentioning those being in the wrong octave. But I was just pointing out some misconceptions about the guitar tabs that seemed to be afloat.

lol, this is getting more confusing because we are talking about playing guitar, guitar tabs, tabbing keyboards USING guitar tracks and guitar tabbing software >___<

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Old 2010-10-23, 07:36   Link #1224
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Old 2010-10-23, 09:34   Link #1225
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@cadetpd
we're not retuning any guitars here, we're retuning pianos on gp5. The reason being that the convention is for guitar parts to be written an octave lower than most other instruments, so if we're using gp5 which is based on guitar notation, to make pianos and such sound right, we're retuning that track. that's all.
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Old 2010-10-23, 10:41   Link #1226
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Wow. I thought voices and piano was just done an octave higher on Guitar Pro because Guitar Pro doesn't have bass clef for it's tracks (asides for the bass itself). So if it was done regularly for piano, you'd be missing half of the notes on the lower spectrum (the ones of the bass clef).
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Old 2010-10-23, 10:57   Link #1227
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Wow. I thought voices and piano was just done an octave higher on Guitar Pro because Guitar Pro doesn't have bass clef for it's tracks (asides for the bass itself). So if it was done regularly for piano, you'd be missing half of the notes on the lower spectrum (the ones of the bass clef).
Actually, you can get a bass clef if you tune a string down low enough. I learned that from an unfortunate incident where I tried to place a note for a piano part that was lower than allowed, so I tried to tune the low E down so I could place it, and it went into bass clef and it was all a mess. I just tabbed that note an octave higher.
Basically all these problems and things are because guitar pro is first and foremost a guitar tabbing program, with other stuff second. I'd like to see if gp6 did anything about that though
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Old 2010-10-23, 11:23   Link #1228
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tenshi ni fureta yo's full version (actually, the new album) is out... i think the only difference from the TV version is the 2nd verse and the solo part... can anyone tab them out? *too lazy to tab it out myself *
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Old 2010-10-23, 13:46   Link #1229
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hey im new here, but ill get straight to the point.

im pretty disappointed with the official band scores, since they sound nothing like the actual music. ive really only seen fuwa fuwa time (since im learning it), and the intro (or the whole song really) definitely does not have a major 3rd in the chords. a backing guitar line (not played by 'yui' or 'azusa') is also missing in some places, like in the chorus.

my guess is that the scorebook authors didnt really have much access to the actual scores,

think im gonna modify it to make it sound closer.
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Old 2010-10-23, 19:18   Link #1230
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im pretty disappointed with the official band scores, since they sound nothing like the actual music.
I don't know about "nothing" but I haven't messed with the guitar bits much. For the bass, some of them are, yes, blatantly incorrect in places. It's been a long time since I looked at the fuwa fuwa time tab, but when I checked the official one posted here it just wasn't much like how it sounds to me.

There's a video on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ii-sdlM9pv8) that uses audio subtraction from the bass-less track on the fuwa fuwa time single to arrive at a bass only track. I'll give a couple examples where the official bass is wrong.

Here's one early in the song. Official tab first.

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And now how it's actually played.

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The difference might seem subtle since the notes aren't far off, but there's basically no syncopation in the official tab, while it's one of the most prominent features of how the bass line sounds in the actual song. The tab is fairly boring sounding in comparison, it doesn't have that "bounce" to it. Notice also the octave slides start at the end of the previous measure. Even if you play this normally it gives the slide a lot more "energy" because it's coming between beats and makes it stand out. I play some of them very loud which goes even further to making it stand out.

The official score can get you started but beyond that, you're still learning the song by ear.
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Old 2010-10-23, 19:58   Link #1231
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i will be uploading a guitar cover of honey sweet teatime pretty soon! sit tight!
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Old 2010-10-23, 20:12   Link #1232
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The guitars in Fuwa Fuwa seem pretty accurate to me :S

Argh, this sucks! I wish they were 100% correct. My ears are still too undeveloped!
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Old 2010-10-23, 21:05   Link #1233
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Yes, you are right... the band scores tend to be a little off from the actual thing (in the case of Fuwa Fuwa time, are you sure you're listening to the right version? the version from the single does have a little arpeggiated backing thing that is not in the versions on the mini-album, and stuff like that)
Even then, though, I think it's nice to have them tabbed out, even just as a starting point.
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Old 2010-10-23, 22:45   Link #1234
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iuniver, why did you delete your comment? I was about to respond.
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Old 2010-10-24, 00:23   Link #1235
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Anyway, anyone have any idea with HTT2:
五月雨20ラブ
冬の日
ときめきシュガー
Honey sweet tea time
いちごパフェが止まらない
放課後ティータイム

Anyone who know it in English name?
Hi all its been a while I have a request but I'll answer your question first
(note my Jap isn't good so yea...)

no 1. Samedare 20 love (20 Love early summer rain)
no 2. Fuyu no Hi (Winter Sun)
no 3. Tokimeki Sugar (Sugar crush)
no 4. Honey Sweet tea time..... obvious isn't it?
no 5. Ichigo Parfait ga Tomaranai (I can not stop strawberry parfait)
no 6. Hokago Tea Time

(my request is can anyone tab out untan miracle... just a request thanks...)
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Old 2010-10-24, 02:06   Link #1236
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I made a guitar cover of HOney sweet teatime!
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Old 2010-10-24, 07:09   Link #1237
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The difference might seem subtle since the notes aren't far off, but there's basically no syncopation in the official tab, while it's one of the most prominent features of how the bass line sounds in the actual song. The tab is fairly boring sounding in comparison, it doesn't have that "bounce" to it. Notice also the octave slides start at the end of the previous measure. Even if you play this normally it gives the slide a lot more "energy" because it's coming between beats and makes it stand out. I play some of them very loud which goes even further to making it stand out.

The official score can get you started but beyond that, you're still learning the song by ear.
To be fair, they change up the parts between the versions anywhere between barely to fairly significant. The score might actually be "official" in that that's what they actually referenced and based the various versions off of. In that sense, it's really official and they expect you to add the flair yourself, which is a problem for crappy players like myself.
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Old 2010-10-24, 07:17   Link #1238
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Tenshi ni fureta yo
GTP~Bolt237 guitar part + Ultimate-guitar other parts
Unofficial - Vocal I, Vocal II, Vocal III, Vocal IV, Guitar, Synth, Bass, Drum I still no idea with official score for this song.

it's (the tab) not yet the full version i suppose... the full version of the song is already out
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Old 2010-10-24, 07:28   Link #1239
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No probs... Anything i can help with im right here

Yea untan miracle where it begins with daisuki i kinda want that tabbed out, i just love that song!!!
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Old 2010-10-24, 15:30   Link #1240
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alright so this is what ive got with fuwa fuwa time so far. currently, ive only changed the guitar parts up, to make it match with the recording as much as possible.

im not really sure whats going with the rhythm guitar during the solo, since i cant really hear much there. also, the solo is a 4-person version, not 5-person.

tell me what you guys think.

http://www.mediafire.com/?89n4fn59y3gvy27

also, id appreciate it if this doesnt end up on ultimate-guitar, etc.
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