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View Poll Results: Ore no Imouto - Episode 5 Rating
Perfect 10 42 31.82%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 26 19.70%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 27 20.45%
7 out of 10 : Good 22 16.67%
6 out of 10 : Average 6 4.55%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 5 3.79%
4 out of 10 : Poor 2 1.52%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 2 1.52%
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Old 2010-11-01, 07:12   Link #81
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So after watching 5 episodes of hearing people commenting that Kirino is such a selfish person/bitch.. I finally came in agreement with that statement.. What's with her hitting Kyousuke after kicking his crotch? Seriously, I feel bad for him but he kinda of deserved it too for helping her lol. Also the way she show her pissed off face to get Kyousuke to solve whatever problem at hand..

Well despite what I've said, I still like Kirino.. just need to wait for that moment where she really, like really shows her appreciation to Kyousuke for what he had sacrificed.. (his image lol)

Oh ya.. about the content of episode 5.. it felt about exaggerated but still was within acceptable range beside the Otaku-Best Friend portion wtf? IMO.
Ayase was such a scary being with that.. face distortion and with her love for Kirino *yuri goggles*

P.S. Who would've guess that their Dad is a Tsundere
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Old 2010-11-01, 07:16   Link #82
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Enjoyable episode, mostly thanks to the lulz for me. I can see where all the drama comes from, and I can get where Ayase is coming from. I wouldn't say Ayase is crazy or anything, just a bit intense and/or mis-informed. Their "best friends" concept feels pretty superficial though, but that's pretty run of the mill at that age.

Honestly though, Kyousuke doesn't deserve the flak he's getting. Hopefully that wonderful bastion of sunshine known as Manami gives him some much needed relief. She didn't even show up this episode . If by some freak accident she starts to believe Kyousuke is a sis-con, I may become incapable of watching this show....
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Old 2010-11-01, 07:20   Link #83
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I disappointed the character of Ayase... Kyousuke was too kind for his little sister...
I have'nt read the novel & manga. Now I cannnot guess the future episodes,wathing ep5.
Ayase was very selfish girl. kirino was selfish too. Kyousuke easily sucrificed himself for his sis.
I was irritated about All of those!!
I wonder how far Kyousuke can do for her .But it seems like Kyousuke doesn't bother about him. Currently we don't know much about his life and project etc...
Well he did a contract "Life counseling" so Kirino controls his life.

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Indeed , i was surprised
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Old 2010-11-01, 07:40   Link #84
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It is all a tsundere family. Noted by watching eps 1-5. XD

Well except the mother...I have yet to see it. =S

(My note: Taking the blame of the ugly things does not always solve the problem like in the last 5 eps...I hope I can see this in the future. For now 9/10)
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Old 2010-11-01, 07:56   Link #85
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Otaku have the misfortune of getting associated with a major child molester/murderer case in the 80s and have never really lived it down. The lolicon stuff (and remember, some of the games Kirino is into feature lolicon incest) probably doesn't help, ditto the fact that some otaku are just plain weird. Add onto the fact that Japan is a conformist oriented society and... well, you get the picture.

Although, as others have pointed out, Ayase is also probably more militant about this kind of stuff than most due to her family background (not mentioned in the anime).
Pretty much in agreement with this. The main problem is: just because it's drawn and not real does not make it right.
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Old 2010-11-01, 07:59   Link #86
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Re: Yandere discussion. Found this, thought it was amusing.
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Old 2010-11-01, 08:21   Link #87
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Kirino's just being a bitch this episode, the brother tried to talk some sense into her, and she just kicks him in the balls. He should just rape her to make her mellow down more.
Yeah I agree with this. It would sure change her would around!
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Old 2010-11-01, 08:23   Link #88
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Excellent comedy, cheesy drama.

I'm starting to get the sense that this is like one of the family-oriented sitcoms of the 90s (Fresh Prince of Bel Air, Family Matters, Home Improvement, etc...). It tackles a serious social or moral issue (as those sitcoms frequently did), but does so against the backdrop of overarching comedy and satire, with more than a touch of absurdness all around.

The over-the-top verbal and physical confrontations, the humorously absurd solutions that are frequently used, the considerably hammy characters, the slapstick comedy, the family and friendship dynamics and quarrels that are at play... it all feels very sitcom-esque to me.

As light comedic entertainment, it works fairly well. It makes the drama a little less impactful though (at least for me).


That being said, I think Kirino did a good job of conveying her sisterly pain in this episode. She clearly was hurt pretty badly, slowly over time, by her perception that her brother was just flatout ignoring her constantly. I guess that in her mind he has an awful lot to make up for.

She's not likable, not yet, but at least I see where her anger and resentment comes from. I don't actively dislike her, as such.
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Old 2010-11-01, 08:23   Link #89
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I have to agree with the people who thought the whole deal was a bit too exaggerated, the first scene in particular: the dramatic rain, the yelling, the crazy faces (huge Higurashi vibes during that part indeed). All of this made it very hard for me to take it seriously.

Thankfully, the rest of the episode was better. While Ayase seemed like a hysterical bitch in the first part, the second part of the episode made it clear she was just genuinely worried for Kirino and profoundly misguided. It's not hard to understand why, considering how demonized otakus are in Japanese society. During his pleading, I wish Kyousuke had at least mentioned that murderers have been (or pretended to be) inspired by all kinds of works in the past: books, songs, movies, etc... Should they all be forbidden? Of course not.

Ayase's reaction to Kirino's rant was kind of funny. I don't know about you, but it wouldn't make me THAT happy to be put on the same level as eroge
Daddy's tsundere moment was also hilarious.

And count me in as one of the people irritated by Kirino's attitude. That's the very first time I've liked the brother more than the sister in an anime. I feel for Kyousuke... even my own sister isn't such a bitch.
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Old 2010-11-01, 08:26   Link #90
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Okay, despite things being obviously rushed, at least things can still be followed and I quite like the episode. A good reason came from the male members of the Kousaka family being awesome as usual. Kyousuke is being a great big brother again, with him confronting Kirino to force her to face her issue with Ayase, even Kirino has to admit that heís being a good big brother. He also doesnít forget to call Saori (seriously, Manami, you have next episode to keep yourself in the running so that I wonít be a full blown Kyousuke/Saori shipper) to make sure that they understand that Kirino is being her tsundere self as usual. Also, he did one thing I very rarely see in anime: when facing a problem, he asked for advice from his parents, a reasonable authority figure. Granted, most of the time the parents in anime are either dead, missing or just living away, but still.

Speaking of his Dad, he won points for me that unlike Ayaseís family and many other parents in real life, he doesnít get influenced solely by what he heard from mass media and second hand info/gossip, but go out of his way to get the info himself. If only more parents can do thisÖ

But the focus of the episode is obviously Ayase. To contribute to the debate over her, I have a slightly different view. Personally, I donít find her all that unreasonable at first; itís still loli porn, after all, and I wonít fault her for not wanting her best friend to be involved in that. Sure, her exaggerated reaction allows me to gloat that my prediction are correct that sheís a yuri with yandere tendencies, but I wonít say thatís perfectly accurate, really. That may be part of the underlying reason, of course, but I feel that the issue runs deeper than that.

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Still, the last 4 minutes kinda ruined the episode for me. First of all, I donít like Ayase being a hypocrite there; just before, she gives Kirino an ultimatum to choose between her and otaku, but when the tables are turned she herself arenít ready to make the choice between friendship with Kirino and her hatred for those things. Really, I donít expect her to right away being OK with otaku and Kirino being one, but that conflict is one she has to struggle with herself. I fully agree with Kyousuke, ďwhat are you looking at me for?Ē because really, even then he already went out of his way to patch up her sisterís relationship with her best friend, whatís more is he supposed to do?

And afterward, he sacrificed himself, again, to save her sister. I mean, sure, itís more honourable than to sacrifice other innocents, but dude really got to find new, better strategies than that. Really, Iím glad that itís Manami episode next week, itís great that we got at least someone who will sing for our unsung hero.

The thing that could really save the episode is the one word in the Ayaseís text: Lying. I mean really, not just her but the father has to realize that such outrageous behaviour has to be faked, right? And yet they still accept it, maybe because the shock of the major shift in their image of Kirino of perfect girl to loli-loving otaku in reality is just too much. Therefore, itíll really help them to have Kyousuke as a fall guy and blaming Kirinoís change for his influence, and being the lesser evil makes it easier to accept Kirino. Perhaps later, when they can truly accept Kirinoís otaku nature, they can stop pretending that itís not due to Kirinoís own will, and then they can properly apologize for Kyousuke for setting him up as a scapegoat. Thatís more for Ayase than Dad as he seems more accepting already, but I really hope that itís true and will be confirmed in future episodes.

P.S: Based on the description given by Zeroryoko, I guess I'm mixing up yandere and yangire, and yangire seems more appropriate in my text compared to yandere. Still too lazy to find and replace though, sorry.
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Old 2010-11-01, 08:31   Link #91
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Thankfully, the rest of the episode was better. While Ayase seemed like a hysterical bitch in the first part, the second part of the episode made it clear she was just genuinely worried for Kirino and profoundly misguided. It's not hard to understand why, considering how demonized otakus are in Japanese society. During his pleading, I wish Kyousuke had at least mentioned that murderers have been (or pretended to be) inspired by all kinds of works in the past: books, songs, movies, etc... Should they all be forbidden? Of course not.
The question should be would their banning be the best for society should the means justify the end of stopping all these ideologies from motivating murder and whatnots there can be such as sex crimes for example.
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Old 2010-11-01, 08:34   Link #92
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This is the comment I was looking for, beyond the BGM/moodflavor and everything else, Ayase's character is quite complex, and it's such a shame that the background build for Ayase wasn't revealed.
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Old 2010-11-01, 08:39   Link #93
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Excellent episode. I really do like how they're tackling the image issue anime otaku have and how people have been misled about them and their hobby by the media at several levels. Kyousuke could stand to find some tactics that don't make him out to be a raging pervert, but at least Ayase is plenty perceptive enough to realize he was lying there at the end. Keikaku doori indeed. 9/10 for me.

Looks like Manami finally gets some screen time again next episode. Though I can't help but wonder how Kirino's issues will interfere with any progress between Kyousuke and Neighbor-girl.
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Old 2010-11-01, 08:40   Link #94
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It isn't that irrealistic, although I would rather prefer some foreshadowing -outside- of the ED, a characterization that would be a bit in line with what was shown: for instance, I would accept Ayase yangire (not yandere) switch if she was a bit clingy in her normal mode... say in classes or when they were at Kousakas' house. In fact, it would have been a bit more credible if it was characters like Satomi.
Why the heck would Ayase be a Yangire (a mentally ill person who snaps instantly and harshly at others)? She is not, not remotely.

Again, seen from her point of view, she's making perfect sense. And we HAVE seen foreshadowing before - when Ayase first sighed about Kirino being cold to her after she was turned down on a date offer, and later when Ayase asked her if she was hiding a BF from her, based on seeing her diss people on the phone while showing signs of happiness.

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That said, I can't help but not really appreciate her character. Although the whole "blind hatred" has some basis, the whole "I thought we were friends, but it seems it isn't the case" irked me quite a bit. I mean, you would expect Ayase to have a open mind after the groping incident in ep4, then you got someone who is very edgy, whereas well... anyone has a secret or two.
Hiding otakudom from her all the time? That's quite some secret in the Japanese social context. I think you severely underestimate the social stigma behind that.
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Old 2010-11-01, 08:45   Link #95
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Excellent episode. I really do like how they're tackling the image issue anime otaku have and how people have been misled about them and their hobby by the media at several levels. Kyousuke could stand to find some tactics that don't make him out to be a raging pervert, but at least Ayase is plenty perceptive enough to realize he was lying there at the end. 9/10 for me.

Looks like Manami finally gets some screen time again next episode. Though I can't help but wonder how Kirino's issues will interfere with any progress between Kyousuke and Neighbor-girl.
Agreed... otaku subculture certainly does have "societal integration" challenges but the media in Japan basically act as "witch burning mob instigators" by reinforcing bullshit memes to maximize misplaced fear and anxiety. Its like the nonsense D&D "satanism" BS pulled in the 80s by wackjob 'religious nuts' who made a lot of money scaring parents, supplemented with the media alarm (anyone ever see that piece of tv movie garbage called "Mazes and Monsters" starring Tom Hanks?) only multiplied 100 times. Today you can watch the media in the US or Japan completely miss the boat on subcultures or fads (for which you either conclude they are malicious or utterly clueless idiots but either way they scare you into watching through the commercial breaks).

Japanese society is historically quite intolerant of the 'different' ... which is really bizarre if you watch the absurd fads the 'mainstream' latches onto there.
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Old 2010-11-01, 08:47   Link #96
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Why the heck would Ayase be a Yangire (a mentally ill person who snaps instantly and harshly at others)? She is not, not remotely.

Again, seen from her point of view, she's making perfect sense. And we HAVE seen foreshadowing before - when Ayase first sighed about Kirino being cold to her after she was turned down on a date offer, and later when Ayase asked her if she was hiding a BF from her, based on seeing her diss people on the phone while showing signs of happiness.
I have no idea why you are so much on the defensive when I said "yangire switch". It isn't like I said she is mentally ill or anything. Snapping can be done by even the most calm individual. I use the term as the definition suggests: calm and kind character turning aggressive all of a sudden. Doesn't make them psychopath or anything.

Also, I don't call that such kind of events as foreshadowing to the problem at hand. These prove she is indeed quite close to Kirino, but that arguably doesn't hint she is literally clinging and adoring her.
The proof is almost no one expected such reaction, nothing that close (in fact, people were expecting her to have some aversion but a compromise later on).
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Hiding otakudom from her all the time? That's quite some secret in the Japanese social context. I think you severely underestimate the social stigma behind that.
You also misunderstood my last comment it seems: What surprised me was that Ayase was jumping on the gun regarding the "lie". Regardless if she doesn't like lies or not, it is quite pushy in this case. As such, the nature of the lie wasn't even the problem: the fact Kirino was hiding "something" made her cling to THAT extent. I'm not even surprised of her view about Otaku in general. I've made my homework regarding the Miyazaki incident and so forth, so huh.
That's why I said everyone has a secret or two, it isn't like you should sniff in people's business like that, right in the public while it is very awkward, regardless the subject. Moreso considering Japanese culture: it is hardly believable to have such argument unleashed in public.


Just to remind you: I never said Ayase doesn't make any sense whatsoever. I just do not feel much sympathy for her pushy tendencies, forcing Kirino to follow her way (regardless if her reasons are good or not). The fact a character is complex doesn't always make them more likable, it depends of opinion and it just rubs me on the wrong way (and I did mention she has potential to have better side to be shown, although right now, I'm not expecting a lot from her).

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Old 2010-11-01, 08:53   Link #97
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I'm actually more interested in what the next episode will be about. I wonder if it will cover the chapters omitted from volume 2 or the anime just might steamroll through the original source and stop somewhere midway and do a second season..

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The anime is really butchering all those "last" scenes, aren't they?
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Still, the last 4 minutes kinda ruined the episode for me. First of all, I donít like Ayase being a hypocrite there; just before, she gives Kirino an ultimatum to choose between her and otaku, but when the tables are turned she herself arenít ready to make the choice between friendship with Kirino and her hatred for those things. Really, I donít expect her to right away being OK with otaku and Kirino being one, but that conflict is one she has to struggle with herself. I fully agree with Kyousuke, ďwhat are you looking at me for?Ē because really, even then he already went out of his way to patch up her sisterís relationship with her best friend, whatís more is he supposed to do?
I think you were misunderstanding the finish ^_^;

Ayase is no hypocrite here. The point is that Kyousuke was turning things around: Now Kirino isn't the driving otaku force behind everything anymore. Instead, it's Kyousuke who tainted Kirino with his otaku ideas (something which relates to Ayase's earlier suspicion of "Give me back my pure Kirino"), and this makes Kirino a VICTIM of his otaku abuse and siscon fantasies. Now it's Kyousuke's perverted attempt to get into his sister's pants who's the enemy, and Kirino needs to be protected from Kyousuke's influence. THIS is why she decided to immediately reconcile with Kirino, to be closer to her in order to SHIELD her from Beelzebub Kyousuke.
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I think you were misunderstanding the finish ^_^;

Ayase is no hypocrite here. The point is that Kyousuke was turning things around: Now Kirino isn't the driving otaku force behind everything anymore. Instead, it's Kyousuke who tainted Kirino with his otaku ideas (something which relates to Ayase's earlier suspicion of "Give me back my pure Kirino"), and this makes Kirino a VICTIM of his otaku abuse and siscon fantasies. Now it's Kyousuke's perverted attempt to get into his sister's pants who's the enemy, and Kirino needs to be protected from Kyousuke's influence. THIS is why she decided to immediately reconcile with Kirino, to be closer to her in order to SHIELD her from Beelzebub Kyousuke.
I agree. This was likely the reaction that Kyousuke was aiming for.

Kyousuke throws himself on his own sword with such gutso that writers of Greek tragedies would be greatly moved by him.
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I agree. This was likely the reaction that Kyousuke was aiming for.

Kyousuke throws himself on his own sword with such gutso that writers of Greek tragedies would be greatly moved by him.
Hence why karma's a bitch and clearly owes him a ton of debt he deserves to collect at some point.
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