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View Poll Results: Ore no Imouto - Episode 5 Rating
Perfect 10 42 31.82%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 26 19.70%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 27 20.45%
7 out of 10 : Good 22 16.67%
6 out of 10 : Average 6 4.55%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 5 3.79%
4 out of 10 : Poor 2 1.52%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 2 1.52%
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Old 2010-11-01, 16:33   Link #121
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no Manami for second consecutive episode makes me so sad (she does not even appear on the OP). the preview makes me hopeful, though; and they better have plenty of Manami to keep my mind at ease.

anyway, I really enjoyed the fifth episode; I especially liked Kyo's declaration of love--- it's so like him to solve his sister's problems by sacrificing himself. I shouldn't be surprised anymore, but it does surprise me how funny he can be.

Ayase is my second favorite character, and having an episode dedicated to her is really nice. I was sort of expecting her little bursts of anger and frustration (that's what makes her so charming, in my opinion); and she turned out to be more interesting and complex than I had first expected. I think there's a lot that can be said about her character and her relationship to Kirino; and hopefully we get to explore more of those dynamics now that she knows of her hobbies, and is apparently more willing to accept them after the last scene.

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It isn't that irrealistic, although I would rather prefer some foreshadowing -outside- of the ED, a characterization that would be a bit in line with what was shown: for instance, I would accept Ayase yangire (not yandere) switch if she was a bit clingy in her normal mode... say in classes or when they were at Kousakas' house. In fact, it would have been a bit more credible if it was characters like Satomi.
now that you mention it, during the fourth episode, I found Ayase's behavior, more than anything, to be slightly suspicious when she approached Kyo moments after she witnessed how her best friend was groped by him. Suspicious because she is willing to believe in the good character of his actions, and is the one to think of good and reasonable circumstances that may have led to the situation with the box. Of course, she is especially concerned for Kirino's well being and shows a certain degree of maturity for trying to clear the misunderstanding; she further ask for his forgiveness on her behalf, but I can't help the feeling that she, in her mind, sees her best friend as someone incapable of doing anything bad. That's why it's so much of a shock for her to notice that Kirino is hiding something from her, to discover that she is lying in her attempts to run away---the "good Kirino" she knows will not do that. it may also explain why it's so hard for her to accept Kirino's hobbies, to accept that she will have anything to do with the things she considers bad. Of course, my interpretation may be a bit far-fetched or not detailed enough, but I want to think that's probably the first instance where we start to see the fine strokes of Ayase's character, during her conversation with Kirino's brother.

Personally, I did not particularly find Ayase's actions to be so much of a shock (or out-of-character); but that's probably because I was already familiar with her thanks to the Drama CD.
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Old 2010-11-01, 17:04   Link #122
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now that you mention it, during the fourth episode, I found Ayase's behavior, more than anything, to be slightly suspicious when she approached Kyo moments after she witnessed how her best friend was groped by him. Suspicious because she is willing to believe in the good character of his actions, and is the one to think of good and reasonable circumstances that may have led to the situation with the box. Of course, she is especially concerned for Kirino's well being and shows a certain degree of maturity for trying to clear the misunderstanding; she further ask for his forgiveness on her behalf, but I can't help the feeling that she, in her mind, sees her best friend as someone incapable of doing anything bad. That's why it's so much of a shock for her to notice that Kirino is hiding something from her, to discover that she is lying in her attempts to run away---the "good Kirino" she knows will not do that. it may also explain why it's so hard for her to accept Kirino's hobbies, to accept that she will have anything to do with the things she considers bad. Of course, my interpretation may be a bit far-fetched or not detailed enough, but I want to think that's probably the first instance where we start to see the fine strokes of Ayase's character, during her conversation with Kirino's brother.

Personally, I did not particularly find Ayase's actions to be so much of a shock (or out-of-character); but that's probably because I was already familiar with her thanks to the Drama CD.
Ayase in episode 4 mostly saw the incident between Kirino and Kyousuke as a sort of accident, even remembered that Kyousuke stole the box away from the group while they were opening it up. So she probably knows that some certain incident will occur. That was the good side Ayase saw of Kyousuke, then came episode 5..

Before things were cleared, Kirino was mostly keeping things from Ayase as you said, and since Ayase is clinged to Kirino either respecting her abilities to be the very best in school (idolization) or that she has been a friend of Kirino for a long time, and eventually knew more and more about her "school side", but it could just be both combined. Then came the incident where she found the eroge games and manga that Kirino had with her all along. Ayase was just stunned that Kirino has been lying to her all this time, and that she felt she dint know that Kirino had this side within her to do such indecent things, the fact that she was her "best friend" to her. The way she was unable to understand this situation clearly, left to the part before Kyousuke stepped in.

Ayase probably cant stand the games/manga that Kirino enjoys so much for the obvious reasons of influencing people to do indecent things. Then Kyousuke stepped in and declared his love for Kirino.. With this declaration of love for his sister, and that the fact he was "influenced" by the eroge games/manga that made Ayase blush to no limit. She obviously knows that he is thinking of doing somthing to Kirino, with being her best friend she has to protect her at all cost, making her cling to Kirino even more then before. She probably even remembered the scene where Kyousuke groped Kirino, and now thought that the incident that occurred was part of Kousuke's indecent action to Kirino with no one watching..

Now an interesting point in this episode was also between Kirino and Kyousuke, where Kirino finally let out the fact why Kirino was alienating Kyousuke from her life up until he found out about her Otaku life. Kyousuke was never there for Kirino for the majority of her life, and Ayase/her life as a model/her otaku life were the only things keeping her happy with life up until the point. Now she knows that she can trust Kyousuke even more with dealing with situations, leading to the last scene with her opening up to Kyousuke even more, now we just need flashbacks on what made Kirino believe that Kyousuke was mostly the one alienating her from his life to clearly understand her feelings in this episode.

Now the father scene was epic I must say... The reaction he did when Kyousuke clearly just shot the bullet there was just This episode was also a big development for the father, even though he did not get much screentime. It showed that even if his children did indecent things that could make him utterly disgusted. He shows that he is a very Tsundere-type of father, but deep inside he cares for his daughter and son. Since he cant do anything about Kyousuke, either with the eroge since he is above 18, and cant really do much to influence his life like what he can do to Kirino. Where the only thing he had left supporting him was the 18+ eroge game which would corrupt Kirino's mind in his opinion. He just had to give in and help Kyousuke with his matters. Now some of you may think that the words that came out of the father's mouth in episode 3 clearly denounced Kyousuke as a "worthless son" this episode shows that even if he is worthless in his eyes, he "now" cares about what happens to Kyousuke. Earlier, he dint have to worry about Kyousuke as much since he dint do anything indecent or such, and believed that Kyousuke would do the right thing and wont get into trouble. But when episode 3 occurred... The father "probably" had the feeling that he has to worry about even the children that "seemed" like they were leading a normal lifestyle.
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Old 2010-11-01, 17:20   Link #123
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Some interesting tidbits I read on another blog. The first volume of the series was released on August 2008, 2nd volume (which episode 5 is based on) on December. And 2008 was reportedly a rather difficult year for otaku culture. I thought it interesting to put this episode that context.
  • Akihabara Massacre. June 2008. Although the killer (later) turned out to be unrelated to anything otaku-related, it still was blamed initially (since it happened in THE Akihabara).
  • Masahiro Kanagawa. Stabbing spree in March 2008. Blamed on gaming.
  • Tsutomu Miyazaki. AKA "The Otaku Murderer." The Original Sin all otaku are blamed against. Time of offense 1988-89. Executed on July 2008.
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Old 2010-11-01, 17:28   Link #124
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It suddenly starts raining.
While you are outside.
"Where are you going?"
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Ayase, you bastard, you intentionally destroyed the precious doujinshi. Yeah, saying we're not friends is redundant at that point.

"It's not like I looked into [the SisCaly incident] for you."
Why was that even in there... >>;

The way they attack problems is not new but is always entertaining. Slapstick humor to wash down the dramatization.

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Old 2010-11-01, 17:41   Link #125
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But yeah great episode overall. Ayase is really annoying, she's like one of those people who believe everything they read and watch and base their ideas upon mass consensus. Basically a tool.
A sciolist maybe? But you cannot blame her if the media enjoy manipulating people, and publish halfbaked reports to sell their program, or paper..
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Old 2010-11-01, 17:43   Link #126
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Spoiler for Damn you Kyousuke, fix it /glare:
Well.. Given the many incidents where Kyousuke was able to pull Kirino out of the fire when it got extremely hot, she just knows that Kyousuke will know how to deal with it Its sorta cute how depending Kirino is towards Kyousuke.
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Old 2010-11-01, 17:53   Link #127
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"It's not like I looked into [the SisCaly incident] for you."
Why was that even in there... >>;
Haha when I heard that, I was all, "Did his Dad actually say that tsundere line?"
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Old 2010-11-01, 17:55   Link #128
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Still the way Ayase reacted was not mature at all at first.
Yes, her reaction was extremely immature indeed. For someone who *supposedly* is is her best friend, to cancel her friendship that quickly over such a trivial matter, she can't have been a very good friend in the first place

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Also Kyousuke is going to be depended on, since this episode he does again a lot for Kirino.
Yes, it looks like Kirino is starting to trust Kyousuke now and is starting to rely on him. If she wouldn't trust him now, she wouldn't ask him to help her to settle certain matters.

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For people that believe Ayase hates games/anime as a hobby in general.. I dont think so... She just cant stand eroge, and the indecent things that happen. After Kyousuke cleared the facts of the news she heard about Otakus. It was also in the line "I just cant agree with this sort of manga" or something along that line.
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Old 2010-11-01, 18:09   Link #130
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I suspect Ayase's not as horrible as she seems. It really felt to me like, once she calmed down and patched things up, she managed to figure out Kyousuke's game. Or at least suspect that that was his game. And with her initial tirade, I have some suspicion that she's been deceived and betrayed in the past. She seems to have very strong feelings about lies and secrets, a little too strong to just be her sense of right and wrong.
And I don't think Kyousuke's really taking the route he took here too much. It doesn't seem like his main plan of defense, but rather his last resort, taking the shot for her when nothing he can think of will stop a person from attacking her.
Part of Ayase's problem is she jumped in at the deep end. If she wants to be a real friend, I think she should at some point ask Kirino to lend her the first seasons of her favorite anime series, or some of the 12+ versions of her favorite games, so she could see what Kirino's fallen in love with without the erotic stuff that will make her close her mind completely. Who knows, she might find she likes Meruru and dating sims, and if Kirino can find some opening to get her interested in anime/manga, eventually Ayase may even warm up to eroge. She'll probably still think it's a little creepy to see these siblings playing incest games though.
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Also, when all of Kirino's books fell on the ground, and it started raining EVEN HARDER, I was totally crying out for Kirino. Noooooooooooooo! I felt her pain. her precious manga, completely ruined.
I was crying there because a lot of expensive rare books were being destroyed by the rain.
I didn't care about the emotions of the characters at all...
I am really starting to doubt my decision to continue this series 'till the end, especially when I see good comments for Youkai Zaruko, which I dropped...
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Indeed Ayase's gravure modeling is hypocritical of her to be judging others. What do teenage boys do with gravure magazines and photobooks? yeah that's right.
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Old 2010-11-01, 19:05   Link #133
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Haha when I heard that, I was all, "Did his Dad actually say that tsundere line?"
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It is all a tsundere family. Noted by watching eps 1-5. XD

Well except the mother...I have yet to see it. =S
I don't see why Daisuke (their dad) needs to be part of this... I feel like there is going to be a giant harem led by him because he will have the biggest change of heart.
He's the only other male character at this point and now this outburst of tsundere-ism ...
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Reminds me of how video games are attacked in the UK and USA, one thing Otaku and Video Game Nerds have in common: the mass media blame an entire medium for the few psychos that exist within them, its like Kirino cancelling her friendship with Ayase for being a model because some models end up drug addicts/with eating disorders.

Dont blame the many on the few.

It is a bit hard to defend little sister porn games and manga though, at least manga in general you can argue it has artistic purposes as with games in general, screwing little girls...urm...bit on the questionable side.

How many episodes do you think before Kirino gets a boyfriend and Ayase goes yandere on him?

@Lolification Oh the glare...so cold...so unnerving the horror...oh the cute tsundere horror...
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Godamnit Kirino. SAVE THOSE DOUJINS!!!!! You don't just stand there and watch them getting destroyed!!!!
I feel tightness in my chest during that scene. All those expensive doujins ruined just like that...
This, for christ's sake, THIS!^
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Indeed Ayase's gravure modeling is hypocritical of her to be judging others. What do teenage boys do with gravure magazines and photobooks? yeah that's right.
My point exactly. This is ever so more valid as Ayase takes a very active part in the creation of gravure magazines, while Kirino only passively consumes ero-manga.

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Reminds me of how video games are attacked in the UK and USA, one thing Otaku and Video Game Nerds have in common: the mass media blame an entire medium for the few psychos that exist within them, its like Kirino cancelling her friendship with Ayase for being a model because some models end up drug addicts/with eating disorders.

Dont blame the many on the few.
Absolutely right, an entire group/medium is all too often blamed for the few freaks among them, be it now otaku, gamers (especially so with shooters), etc.
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Some interesting tidbits I read on another blog. The first volume of the series was released on August 2008, 2nd volume (which episode 5 is based on) on December. And 2008 was reportedly a rather difficult year for otaku culture. I thought it interesting to put this episode that context.
  • Akihabara Massacre. June 2008. Although the killer (later) turned out to be unrelated to anything otaku-related, it still was blamed initially (since it happened in THE Akihabara).
  • Masahiro Kanagawa. Stabbing spree in March 2008. Blamed on gaming.
  • Tsutomu Miyazaki. AKA "The Otaku Murderer." The Original Sin all otaku are blamed against. Time of offense 1988-89. Executed on July 2008.
Thanks for sharing that.
If the novel was anything like the anime, they made it pretty clear that the intent was to criticize Japanese mass media exaggerating and antagonizing otaku culture.
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lol I guess he's meant to be a sacrificial lamb.

First sacrifice: All those eroge are mine. They were really amazing. I love anime and eroge with a passion! Got a prob- *FALCON PUNCH*

Second sacrifice: We have tales of forbidden love (we make love). I love my sister.
Ayase: I'll kill you.

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Old 2010-11-01, 23:47   Link #140
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Particulary, the part where Kirino states that Kyousuke has ignored her for some undetermined amount of time and of all times, is finally acting like a brother.
I was just about to comment about that; until that scene I had assumed their relationship of living in the same house but not saying two words to each other was how they both wanted it to be... Kyousuke seemed as surprised as I did by her statement.
And then he got kicked in the balls. I like how she distracts him with the pillow first, so he's unable to dodge this time.

To those who found a similarity between this and the previous arc, I did get a deja vu feeling watching her rant but there are two significant differences:
1 - The first time, Kyouske was the one doing the confronting on her behalf. This time, she handled it herself. Kirino gained some self reliance here.
2 - The dad accepted the (mostly logical) argument, valuing Kirino's happiness over his ideal vision of her (sans the eroge). Ayase refuses to see even this far and needs to be tricked/have an excuse for continuing her frienship.
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