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Old 2010-11-08, 23:44   Link #18621
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HOLY FUCK! I've just realised something. So, in Umineko we've got a bomb, right? What's the name of one of the most famous bombs in history? Fat Boy.

Bomb = Fat Boy = George
You've conflated Fat Man and Little Boy.
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Old 2010-11-08, 23:49   Link #18622
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Well shit, you get my idea, and that's what matters.

But, either way, thanks for the correction.
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Old 2010-11-08, 23:50   Link #18623
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Oh and yes I'm saying I would prefer the Boat Captain as the culprit over Rudolf's crazy exwife.
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Old 2010-11-08, 23:50   Link #18624
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I'm TRYING to suggest that the fact that Nanjo died at all would imply that there is a person on the island that we have never, ever seen.

Yes yes I know Mysterious Person X. That is exactly what the final reds in Ep6 tell us must be true, if you ask me.
Why, he's named right in the accounting, isn't he?

The 15 people mentioned are dead
Battler is alive
Eva is alive
Jessica is alive
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Old 2010-11-08, 23:56   Link #18625
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Are you suggesting that "Battler is alive" refers to the other Battler?
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Old 2010-11-08, 23:57   Link #18626
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Not too seriously, but hey, he did get mentioned right there in that self-same episode.
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Old 2010-11-09, 00:05   Link #18627
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You've got me there. When did the other Battler get mentioned in EP3? I only remember his existence being mentioned by Beatrice in EP4.

Will we ever get any information on how Beatrice knows so much about everyone? I wonder.
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Old 2010-11-09, 00:11   Link #18628
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You've got me there. When did the other Battler get mentioned in EP3? I only remember his existence being mentioned by Beatrice in EP4.
As a dead baby.

And technically I'm not sure we actually have confirmation of the existence of another Battler, just Beatrice speculating that there must be another because Battler isn't what she was wanting... if that wasn't itself just a play at getting rid of him.
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Old 2010-11-09, 00:18   Link #18629
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What I want to know is why Asumu's baby was stillborn. I half expect a Down Syndrome-afflicted evil savant being responsible, wanting revenge on the Ushiromiya family for being born with fetal alcohol syndrome.
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Old 2010-11-09, 00:25   Link #18630
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Yasu defeats him by getting into a "which of us is more screwed up" contest while Battler quietly disarms the bomb and unloads all the guns.
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Old 2010-11-09, 00:33   Link #18631
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If he IS there, then I suggest he's being kept in the basement and fed only fish heads. Roly, poly fish heads. The mackerel variety.

By the way, what are we supposed to be talking about now? :3

EDIT:
Actually, if you look at it, the Ushiromiya family has all the stereotypical problems of your usual rich family with skeletons in the closet:

1. Illegally gained fortune? Check!
2. Wincest? Check!
3. Infertile wife of the head of family leading to ambiguous inheritance? Check!
4. Murders covered up? Check!
5. Servant conspiracy? Check!
6. Occult practices? Check!
7. Fat, unattractive socially inept upcoming heir? Check! (Why are we so mean to George?)

We can probably also add, Military connections, Spies and Colonel Mustard into the mix.
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Old 2010-11-09, 00:47   Link #18632
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As a dead baby.
Oh, Kyrie's child. Yeah, now I remember.

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And technically I'm not sure we actually have confirmation of the existence of another Battler, just Beatrice speculating that there must be another because Battler isn't what she was wanting... if that wasn't itself just a play at getting rid of him.
Indeed, the other Battler is yet another cat in the box, along with the baby swap and all the details about this event.
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Old 2010-11-09, 01:09   Link #18633
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Asumu would just be an asspull on Ryukishi's part.
But. But. She's important! Although only because we know absolutely nothing about her.

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Why are we so mean to George?
Because he deserves it for a) being fat, b) stalking a ten-year-old-girl, c) being fat, d) being willing to murder his ENTIRE FAMILY for the sake of the girl he used to stalk, e) being fat, f) lying to Yasu about Battler not sending her a letter and thus being responsible for this entire mess and g) being fat.

Did I cover all the reasons?

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Why, he's named right in the accounting, isn't he?

The 15 people mentioned are dead
Battler is alive
Eva is alive
Jessica is alive
Well, that WOULD explain how he's able to get around being named at specific times.

Of course, this also means he was hiding in the closet when Erika had that meeting in the parlour. Maybe he knows about the family fear of looking inside obvious hiding places?

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Indeed, the other Battler is yet another cat in the box, along with the baby swap and all the details about this event.
Which is what next episode will probably be about.
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Old 2010-11-09, 01:29   Link #18634
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Well...

If we take EP7 as somewhat reliable, then George should be stalking a thirteen year old girl, not a ten year old one.

And I actually think that it was not George who hid Battler's letter from Shannon, but it was actually Kyrie's doing...
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Old 2010-11-09, 01:37   Link #18635
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If we take EP7 as somewhat reliable, then George should be stalking a thirteen year old girl, not a ten year old one.
He thought she was ten, since she was presumably malnourished at the Fukuin House. Either way, he's still a creepy pedophile. And fat.

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And I actually think that it was not George who hid Battler's letter from Shannon, but it was actually Kyrie's doing...
...Why? George has every reason to hide the letter, but Kyrie didn't even know about Shannon's crush. At least I don't think she did.
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Furthermore, why would Kyrie even care?
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Old 2010-11-09, 01:57   Link #18637
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...Why? George has every reason to hide the letter, but Kyrie didn't even know about Shannon's crush. At least I don't think she did.
I think people also theorize that George's comment that Battler was living the happy life off by himself to Shannon, a year earlier, I think, was some kind of attempt at manipulation.

I think most of 2ch finds him suspicious. We're not the only ones. But I find it interesting that EP7 went completely silent on this theory... :3
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Old 2010-11-09, 02:06   Link #18638
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He thought she was ten, since she was presumably malnourished at the Fukuin House. Either way, he's still a creepy pedophile. And fat.
Well, I guess after four year, when Yasu was deleted, Shannon had become more "nourished", especially after living on Rokkenjima. Just look at all those different maids' "assets" and Jessica.


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..Why? George has every reason to hide the letter, but Kyrie didn't even know about Shannon's crush. At least I don't think she did.
Of course it is based on my undying thought of "Kyrie and Sumadera family behind all". Love-ridden girl is not that hard to discern. You see in EP6 just one question from Jessica Kyrie can already deduce what she really want to ask. We also got big-mouthed Kumasawa here. Then it was all about manipulate this girl into a love dilemma and tempt her to bomb up the island...

But seriously, judging from the scene, do George really have the means to hide the letter, unless he knows "magic"...
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Old 2010-11-09, 02:13   Link #18639
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Then it was all about manipulate this girl into a love dilemma and tempt her to bomb up the island...
That's the best plan ever. Manipulate a girl in love, who would, eventually and unbeknownst to you, become the hidden ruler of the island, into blowing the place up.

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But seriously, judging from the scene, do George really have the means to hide the letter, unless he knows "magic"...
He probably ate it. But, either way, it was probably a sleight of hand. It's not really that hard to do.
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Old 2010-11-09, 03:10   Link #18640
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Step One: look at the mail before Titties McGee.
Step Two: Take letter.
Step Three: Tear and trash that shit.
Step Four: Profit.

I mean, really, you don't even have to do sleight of hand. Just do shit behind her back.
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