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View Poll Results: To Aru Majutsu no Index II - Episode 5 Rating
Perfect 10 50 47.17%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 24 22.64%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 15 14.15%
7 out of 10 : Good 11 10.38%
6 out of 10 : Average 3 2.83%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 0.94%
4 out of 10 : Poor 1 0.94%
3 out of 10 : Bad 1 0.94%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2010-11-08, 10:06   Link #141
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Well, again, we'll let the text provide some insight.

Spoiler for Volume 7, the planning part:
1: It still shows that they intended to bluff about using the book, so why not bluff that they had decoded it?

2: The anime still should be able to stand on it's own without having to refer back to the text. I don't mind the text adding to the richness of the anime, but the anime shouldn't be full of plot holes.
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Old 2010-11-08, 10:27   Link #142
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Because if they don't really intend to use the magic book, but just threaten that they will then it's a bluff anyways!

They are already planning to bluff. They don't plan on actually using such destructive power. So why do they need to actually decode it? Just bluff that they decoded it as well.

Look- it didn't even need to change the plot. Someone could point out that a bluff is dangerous and commits them to a high risk of being called on it. Then they decide to go with Touma's plan- which is fine by me, that would make sense.

But instead they made it seem like the problem was that the decoding wasn't correct, which made the bluff impossible.

You all got your fanboy blinders on. I like A Certain Magical Index, but this arc just sucked. There is some potential there in the story, but the execution was terrible.
I don't understand, so your real beef with how things happen is because they didn't try something that might fail? Especially if the current state of mind with the Nuns now is that they are still willing to put their lives on the line, simply running out there and claim that you can solve the Book of the Law isn't going to cut it. They most certainly would have to put up abit of light show or possibly even summon the actual Angel, which doesn't have to use any of it's spell.


(Actually, rather than an Angel, I suppose summoning a big flaming golem would do the trick as well... Which was what they did.)

The funny thing is, if you can accept that the bluff might not work, then why do you condemn their plan to jump straight into setting up a giant Innocantis? Does it really matter so badly that they show every single options to consider? For that matter, what issue do you have with the plan than they eventually used? Was it wrong in anyway?

Maahhh~ I wouldn't call it a fanboy blinder, I'm just more open to ideas that might explain certain actions, rather than take the easy way out and label things as 'plotholes'. Plus it helps to not exaggerate minor details and stuff.

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Old 2010-11-08, 13:06   Link #143
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1: It still shows that they intended to bluff about using the book, so why not bluff that they had decoded it?
Focus on this:
Spoiler for novel text:
What does this tell us? Hint: there are at least 4 messages here. And yes, this part was in the anime.
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Old 2010-11-08, 18:25   Link #144
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The only way to destroy any original grimoire without resorting to Imagine Breaker is to decode it first. And do you even remember what happens when you even try to read and understand the text of an original grimoire? Learn to pay attention.
You'll have to bloody excuse me. I forgot a minor detail in the first season that was over a year ago. Jesus.

The point with that anyway is why did they even bother to attempt to decode it in the first place if it was so deadly?
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Old 2010-11-08, 18:41   Link #145
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You'll have to bloody excuse me. I forgot a minor detail in the first season that was over a year ago. Jesus.
Excuse me? It was just 2 episodes ago.

Touma asked why couldn't they just burn the book, to which Index and then later Orsula replied that you can't destroy a Grimoire.

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The point with that anyway is why did they even bother to attempt to decode it in the first place if it was so deadly?
Because she wanted to destroy the grimoires. Magicians have been fighting over them for ages, she wanted to destroy them to end the fighting.

This was also from 2 episodes ago.
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Old 2010-11-08, 18:42   Link #146
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Er, that was addressed in the first episode of the second season. The archer dude.

It was also addressed whan Orsola was speaking to touma; she told him how Grimoire's can't be destroyed without understanding them firsst (or was that Styl) IB prob could though.

You need to decode it to destroy it - this is what Orsola was trying to do.

As long as it exists, there is a possiblity of them either fighting over it, or decoding it and using it for their own purposes.

Both would be bad.

I agree, Orsola was a little thick, but her heart was in the right place
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Old 2010-11-08, 18:45   Link #147
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No, you cannot destroy magic books, that's the problem in the first place. The second best thing they could do is to seal it. However that means that people would still find reasons to fight for them.

Orsula was trying to decode the book because she figure by understanding how the book is written, she might be able to find a way to destroy them. That is why she wanted to decode the books, and this is obviously against the wishes of the Church cause despite all their talk, those who control the grimoire control a very powerful weapon and they wouldn't want it destroyed.
I really wish people would read...
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Old 2010-11-08, 18:49   Link #148
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Excuse me? It was just 2 episodes ago.

TOuma asked why couldn't they just burn the book, to which Index and then later Orsula replied that you can't destroy a Grimoire.



Because she wanted to destroy the grimoires. Magicians have been fighting over them for ages, she wanted to destroy them to end the fighting.

This was also from 2 episodes ago.
I already deleted the episodes so I can't check so I'll take your word for it.

Again my point with that was why would they even let her study it in the first place.
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Old 2010-11-08, 18:53   Link #149
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Again my point with that was why would they even let her study it in the first place.
I can't remember the smaller details, but I suppose maybe nobody thought she could actually do it?

Or even more likely, she was studying them without consent, she had at least abit of reputation if they were building a church in her name, so she probably pulled some strings.
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Old 2010-11-08, 18:55   Link #150
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I can't remember the smaller details, but I suppose maybe nobody thought she could actually do it?

Or even more likely, she was studying them without consent, she had at least abit of reputation if they were building a church in her name, so she probably pulled some strings.
Please tell me there is a better reason than that.
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Old 2010-11-08, 19:01   Link #151
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Please tell me there is a better reason than that.
Well I can come up with fantastic stories and baseless theories about how she did it if you want.

Why do you need to know? She's supposedly this expert decoder for the church as well, so she would have some access to restrictive books in the Vatican Library. There are a number of possibilities, I just gave three, pick one.
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Old 2010-11-08, 19:05   Link #152
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Orsola didn't pulled some strings she did it in a honest way.

Read my post above.

Their are copies of grimoire. Because it's just a book for ordinary citizen and poison for magicians. It's useless for a normal citizen that hadn't any clue about magic but if someone who knows magic it would lead to either death or power.
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Old 2010-11-08, 19:14   Link #153
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Orsola didn't pulled some strings she did it in a honest way.

Read my post above.

Their are copies of grimoire. Because it's just a book for ordinary citizen and poison for magicians. It's useless for a normal citizen that hadn't any clue about magic but if someone who knows magic it would lead to either death or power.
So they have a potentially dangerous book and they're displaying it to the public even though there is the possibility someone could decrypt it. That's what I got from your post.
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Old 2010-11-08, 19:31   Link #154
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So they have a potentially dangerous book and they're displaying it to the public even though there is the possibility someone could decrypt it. That's what I got from your post.

Copies, not the original, not the same.

And on display equals closed and behind a glass panel.

It was later revealed that the church lied about taking it out of their vault as well. But even before then Stiyl recognized how crazy it is to take out something like that for publicity sake. But I suppose it's because nobody had been able to translate it so they've gotten sloppy over it, it happens to humans all the time.
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Old 2010-11-08, 19:34   Link #155
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You'll have to bloody excuse me. I forgot a minor detail in the first season that was over a year ago. Jesus.
Spoiler for Because one isn't enough:


Its was just 2 episodes ago dude, if you can't remember that detail which had a guy with his head exploding blood here and there, seriously you need to check your health.

P.S.: I'm started to consider you never watched the season's begin and probably the first season.
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Old 2010-11-08, 20:00   Link #156
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Nice ep, I gave it a 9/10. Touma's Falcon Punch was rather more epic than usual.

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Its was just 2 episodes ago dude, if you can't remember that detail which had a guy with his head exploding blood here and there, seriously you need to check your health.
True. If you're going to argue about it, have the decency to know what you're talking about, at least.
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Old 2010-11-08, 20:27   Link #157
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I find Touma punching lolis to be a bit over-doing it.. But it was needed wasnt it?

Either way, this episode was about a 9/10 for me, really love how everything turned out (especially the scene with Touma in the hospital) but the ending.. Just set my images of the Archbishop upside down
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Old 2010-11-08, 21:26   Link #158
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To all those who are defending the imperfections, I think it's useless; they are still thinking that there could have been something else done instead of what happened. And what happens if their suggestions were granted? Adaptation decay worse than what we're having currently.

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Old 2010-11-08, 23:13   Link #159
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Not quite as good as in the light novels, but this is mainly due to the inherent differences between novels and animation, and it's still awesome either way, so yay!
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Old 2010-11-09, 02:12   Link #160
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Pretty cool wrap up to this arc, and yet again Touma ended up in the Hospital, the nuns hacking through the door, reminded me of The Shining, hmm, maybe there should be a movie with actual zombie nuns. Boy, though Touma, Clocked her good, twice. Kaori, needs to choose between pants and short shorts.
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