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Old 2010-12-03, 17:31   Link #2361
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Wait, who said that Sheryl was only popular because of her looks? I mean, besides delusional people who worship Ranka, that is.
No one that I know of off hand. I mean, besides those people that is. >>
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Old 2010-12-03, 19:13   Link #2362
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No one that I know of off hand. I mean, besides those people that is. >>
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Old 2010-12-03, 19:19   Link #2363
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I would say Sheryl is surprisingly popular despite her looks. I don't think Risa Ebata is anywhere as good at designing beautiful women as Haruhiko Mikimoto or Takahiro Kishida, if we're just looking at other Macross shows. Not that Sheryl is a dog but she's more attractive then beautiful.

A non-stereotype personality, flamboyant dress style and catchy pop songs seem to be enough (hey, it works for lady Gaga) .

Come to think of it, this lack of physical beauty might be what hurt Ranka (far more then Sheryl). A moe-character of the clumsy dense type really has to really nestle itself in the fans hearts to be forgiven all the mistakes and trouble they cause (see Yui Hirasawa of K-on infamy on how it's done). Ranka just isn't pretty and cute enough to pull that off. For example I haven't seen one Macross-fan complain about Milia being untrustworthy and stupid for betraying her kind . Anyhow I think if Ranka had looked and acted more like a young Mao Nome or Mylene Genius, she could have been much more popular.
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Old 2010-12-03, 19:31   Link #2364
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Anyhow I think if Ranka had looked and acted more like a young Mao Nome or Mylene Genius, she could have been much more popular.
Yeah they really missed the mark with Ranka.. still very popular in her own right but not as popular as she should've been considering the success of Macross Frontier... which outsells shows like Geass, Gundam 00, Haruhi and K-ON!.

I think if they had tweaked her look and how she acted a tad as well as give her a popular VA she would've been really.. really popular.. especially if Sheryl wasn't so Sheryltastic.
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Old 2010-12-03, 19:58   Link #2365
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Yeah they really missed the mark with Ranka.. still very popular in her own right but not as popular as she should've been considering the success of Macross Frontier... which outsells shows like Geass, Gundam 00, Haruhi and K-ON!.

I think if they had tweaked her look and how she acted a tad as well as give her a popular VA she would've been really.. really popular.. especially if Sheryl wasn't so Sheryltastic.
I suddenly imagined Aya Hirano voicing Ranka...and shuddered involuntarily.

And this is completely circumstantial, I know...but I've met more people here who know who Megumi is (and like her) than I have people who know who May'n is. From my observation, I don't think the split among the Japanese fandom is as lopsided as people here are portraying it. Sheryl is assuredly more popular, but not by THAT wide a margin, as far as I can tell.
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Old 2010-12-03, 20:44   Link #2366
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I suddenly imagined Aya Hirano voicing Ranka...and shuddered involuntarily.

And this is completely circumstantial, I know...but I've met more people here who know who Megumi is (and like her) than I have people who know who May'n is.
That's not very surprising though, May Nakabayashi as a singer has only performed a few songs for anime. She is not a seiyu and I don't think many people in anime circles (except Macross fans) will know of her. Megumi has at least had a few more performances as a seiyu. Aya Endo on the other hand, who voiced Sheryl, is one of the top names in the business.

It's slightly obscene how many top seiyu's voiced supporting characters in Frontier. Rie Tanaka, Kikuko Inoue and Ara Hirano, and each of them has their own fanbase. I'm not saying any of them would have gotten more out of Ranka (as I think her failings lie in her visual design), but maybe it would have helped Rankas popularity (in comparison to other anime characters of the time). Hirano's voice suits assertive characters better but Rie Tanaka (Lacus Clyne for example) would have definitely been a good choice. This is assuming the producers cared about character popularity at all.
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Old 2010-12-03, 23:08   Link #2367
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From my observation, I don't think the split among the Japanese fandom is as lopsided as people here are portraying it. Sheryl is assuredly more popular, but not by THAT wide a margin, as far as I can tell.
I agree with this assessment. I don't think Ranka is unpopular, she has her fan base, really I just feel she tends to get overshadowed by Sheryl. Sheryl can just about legitimately be compared to legendary anime characters, but because of the Love Triangle, Sheryl is the natural comparison for Ranka. I mean really if the two were separated and Ranka was in her own show I think she'd shine great for her own strengths.

Though now I seem to be diverging a bit off topic. As for beauty, I think Sheryl is quite pretty. At the very least everyone always draws her with wonderful hair. I think that's the part of her character design that stands out most to me. That and her earrings.
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Old 2010-12-03, 23:10   Link #2368
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I suddenly imagined Aya Hirano voicing Ranka...and shuddered involuntarily.

And this is completely circumstantial, I know...but I've met more people here who know who Megumi is (and like her) than I have people who know who May'n is. From my observation, I don't think the split among the Japanese fandom is as lopsided as people here are portraying it. Sheryl is assuredly more popular, but not by THAT wide a margin, as far as I can tell.
(*Raised hand*) me think me really like Mamegu more then May'n.

But then, I like Aya Endo more then Mamegu.
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Old 2010-12-03, 23:30   Link #2369
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Tanaka Rie really doesn't do anything like Ranka anymore.. As for Lacus Clyne if people still think Tanaka Rie = Lacus when it comes to vocal abilities they have missed out on a lot... it's no coincidence that western manga fanbase nearly always want her to voice a certain type of character lol.. which sadly never happens lol.

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I suddenly imagined Aya Hirano voicing Ranka...and shuddered involuntarily.
I was thinking more Nana Mizuki or Maaya Sakamoto. If they wanted to split the singing and vocal roles that opens it up even more.

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And this is completely circumstantial, I know...but I've met more people here who know who Megumi is (and like her) than I have people who know who May'n is. From my observation, I don't think the split among the Japanese fandom is as lopsided as people here are portraying it. Sheryl is assuredly more popular, but not by THAT wide a margin, as far as I can tell.
Songs aside, Endo run circles around Megumi went it came to vocal work. I love Sheryl's songs but if her VA did a poor job I doubt I would like her character as much as I do now. I think Endo is a great VA, one of the better female VAs to get recoginzed in the last 5 years, her best supporting VA award (sheryl was listed but after K.Rie got one the year before for voicing Nagi the lead female of Hayate.. seemed more like a consolation prize for just missing Best Actress) from last years seiyuu awards shows a lot of people are paying attention.
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I think Lacus Clyne, while being one of the most recognized work for Rie T, is one of her weakest character overall. Even she tried to run away from being pigeonholed into that sort of character, lucky for her, she survived, the same cant be said to Rie K tho

And this coming from a Lacus fanboy :3
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Old 2010-12-04, 03:13   Link #2371
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Old 2010-12-07, 22:34   Link #2372
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BEST OF 2010. Sheryl at #4....SURROUNDED by Haruhi and her moeblob clones.

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Go Sheryl, Go CC

*weeps for the disappearance of Lacus Clyne* T-T
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she goes up from 7 tp 4...soon she will take the lead again!!!
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Old 2010-12-08, 04:48   Link #2375
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And this is completely circumstantial, I know...but I've met more people here who know who Megumi is (and like her) than I have people who know who May'n is. From my observation, I don't think the split among the Japanese fandom is as lopsided as people here are portraying it. Sheryl is assuredly more popular, but not by THAT wide a margin, as far as I can tell.
I don't get why people always equate the characters and their VAs. You could absolutely love a character and yet find their VA to be absolutely atrocious as a singer (or the opposite).

Also, I love when people infer the preferences of people in Japan using the force or something awesome like that. Presumably the only legit way to know the "margin" between one character's popularity and another's is by going across the country and documenting lotsa individual opinions (n > 4, and don't include the viewpoint of your pet rabbit). Oh wait, that's already been done. They're called polls.
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I don't get why people always equate the characters and their VAs. You could absolutely love a character and yet find their VA to be absolutely atrocious as a singer (or the opposite).
I agree completely, which is why all the Megumi hate (reflected from Ranka hate) on this site irked me to no end. Thankfully, it seems to have settled down somewhat.

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Also, I love when people infer the preferences of people in Japan using the force or something awesome like that. Presumably the only legit way to know the "margin" between one character's popularity and another's is by going across the country and documenting lotsa individual opinions (n > 4, and don't include the viewpoint of your pet rabbit). Oh wait, that's already been done. They're called polls.
True, true...which is why I pointed out that my evidence is completely circumstantial. I've been lucky enough to talk to quite a number of Macross fans at a number of events, and I go to a lot of stores and see what merchandise they display. The most I've ever seen is a mild preference for Sheryl. Again, I'm not saying my word is law, or that it's anything scientific...I'm just saying that's what I've seen. It was my observations, clearly labelled as my observations. That's fair, isn't it?
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*weeps for the disappearance of Lacus Clyne* T-T
Right? Kira is number four but Lacus is gone? The tragedy!

Hopefully K-On fever will die by the time the second movie is out, and Sheryl will over take them all.
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maybe sheryl will raise up more because [spoiler] she's dead... [spoiler]
based on the next upcoming kiss on the galaxy manga
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Old 2010-12-18, 03:35   Link #2379
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I do love Sheryl from the first time I watched Macross Frontier. She got such a great talent, and attractive personality too.

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maybe sheryl will raise up more because [spoiler] she's dead... [spoiler]
based on the next upcoming kiss on the galaxy manga
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I do love Sheryl from the first time I watched Macross Frontier. She got such a great talent, and attractive personality too.



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Don't worry we don't know it for sure
Maybe she just faint...
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