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Old 2010-12-15, 21:26   Link #541
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Before she has her way with him.

I mean, then she drags him by the ear and gives him and Rin a solid scolding, then makes them both apologize to Sakura. Yes. That's what I meant. Pay no attention to the first line of this post.
Don't you mean after she has her way with him? A battered Shirou wold be hardly enjoyable; pummeling him afterwards OTOH is a great way to hide evidence from Sakura.

Of course. That would be very reasonable.
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Old 2010-12-15, 21:35   Link #542
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Old 2010-12-15, 21:40   Link #543
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So Shirou alone isn't enough to fulfill Dark Sakura's needs?
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Old 2010-12-15, 23:17   Link #544
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Old 2010-12-17, 01:19   Link #545
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Dang it Avalon, you c(XD LOL)-block Shirou and Reinforce, but don't protect his mind in other ways? What is wrong, you woman?
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Old 2010-12-17, 10:34   Link #546
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I really don't see how anything has changed. The only difference is whether he just likes Sakura/Rin that much or not.
Which means changing his personality and thoughts prior to the beginning of the game.

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As far as I'm aware of, he only repressed the belief that Sakura wasn't involved.
No. Rin may well have repressed that belief, but Shirou quite simply had absolutely no reason to believe that she was involved. At least until he found out that Shinji was a magus, anyway....

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If I recall, he actually admitted to liking Sakura romantically very early on (before Shirou and Saber encounter a confrontation between Archer and Rin and Zoken)
He admitted that he found her attractive, but he also said that it troubled him, and he thought it was "wrong" to be attracted to the sister of his friend (and his Kohai).

If you read through HF, it's quite clear that he was in denial of his true feelings for Sakura.

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Yes but the player IS Shirou.
Well, no, not quite. The player is representing Shirou when we make decisions, but Shirou has his own thought processes and emotions that are not necessarily the same as those of the player.

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The dilemnas and decisions are supposed to be a reflection of what Shirou actually feels.
Not really. When Shirou has a clear feeling on an issue, we do not get a choice at all. It's when there is more of a dilemma that we get a choice, and even then the Bad Ends are considered "non-canon" (in the sense that Shirou wouldn't really act that way).

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Are you saying that the player is forcing Shirou to act out of character if he chooses less Sakura choices in the beginning? Of course not.
No, I'm saying that, without choosing those Sakura choices, Shirou never comes to realise that he is ignoring his true feelings for Sakura, because he spends most of the war trying to push her away, for her own safety.

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And this case you're saying that Sakura is acting differently at the start than in the other routes. There has to be a reason for that. A reason that does not occur in the other routes. And it's no coincidence that the only way to start HF is to spend more time with Sakura...
Yes, that is entirely true. In HF, Shirou spends more time with Sakura early on and Zouken notices him, which means that Zouken is able to activate her and set his plans in motion.

However, none of this has anything to do with Shirou's fundamental feelings, because he never makes an actual decision along the lines of "I like Sakura more, so I'll spend time with her", the events just flow in such a way that he happens to do so. It's not because he likes Sakura "more" in those routes, it's just that the sequence of events is such that he happens to bump into Sakura more and come to understand her a little better.
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Old 2010-12-17, 12:10   Link #547
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Let's continue this in the game discusion.
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Old 2010-12-22, 17:51   Link #548
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Just in time for Christmas.

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Old 2010-12-22, 18:16   Link #549
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Ah, I forgot about Caster....

I was wondering where the stuff that Sakura was hearing came from....
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Old 2010-12-22, 19:38   Link #550
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Just in time for Christmas.

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You are slowly but surely converting me to Shirou/Ilya. They're just too damn adorable together for their own good.
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Old 2010-12-22, 19:41   Link #551
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You are slowly but surely converting me to Shirou/Ilya. They're just too damn adorable together for their own good.
Nah, sorry, I just can't buy it as a pairing. Ilya is just too child-like (and I don't just mean physically), and whilst I like the idea of her being Shirou's little sister, a romantic relationship between them is something I just don't like the diea of.
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Old 2010-12-22, 19:42   Link #552
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Nah, sorry, I just can't buy it as a pairing. Ilya is just too child-like (and I don't just mean physically), and whilst I like the idea of her being Shirou's little sister, a romantic relationship between them is something I just don't like the diea of.
Oi, I didn't say you had to like it, silly man. I was simply commenting on the fact that Moczo is converting me to the pairing, and writing it in a way that I find believable if he goes for the romance path. We already know all too well that you dislike the pairing.
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Old 2010-12-22, 20:13   Link #553
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Glad I read the Author's Note first, otherwise may not have realized it was Caster at first. Probably would have around the time the scene shifted to the school, but still helped to prevent a re-read.

I enjoyed the Ilya scene as well. At first I was expecting her to leave and find him just lying on the sidewalk or something on her way home. Liked this way too. Now, since the Einzbern family specialty is mana transference and the flow thereof, I wonder if Shirou will awaken completely healthy.
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Old 2010-12-22, 20:43   Link #554
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Ah, I forgot about Caster....

I was wondering where the stuff that Sakura was hearing came from....
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Glad I read the Author's Note first, otherwise may not have realized it was Caster at first. Probably would have around the time the scene shifted to the school, but still helped to prevent a re-read.
Heh, I was wondering if I should bother to be subtle or not, since the fact was that the only thing that had changed significantly about Sakura so far from canon was that no she has Caster shacked up in her soul. I assumed everyone would figure it out right away no matter what I did.

I guess 'subtle' worked after all.

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You are slowly but surely converting me to Shirou/Ilya. They're just too damn adorable together for their own good.
My evil plan is working perfectly!

But seriously, yes, I'm sort of converting myself too. I wasn't really sure if I liked the idea of writing the pairing or not, but the more I write of it the more it seems to flow naturally. This entire chapter basically grew out of writing that scene and seeing if it seemed 'good' or not.
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Old 2010-12-22, 21:07   Link #555
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More like ShirouxHarem to me. Seriously, he just keep triggering flags just by breathing. I wonder how long will Rin last...

Spoiler for Something bugged me::


Btw, I saw the Caster thing the minute I read them . Oh this is gonna be fun; next thing you know Sakura's gonna cut her brother into pieces and throw them awa- ...OTOH that might be a fitting end for Shinji
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Old 2010-12-22, 21:32   Link #556
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Old 2010-12-22, 22:34   Link #557
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Rider doesn't "pretend" to be anyone. All she does is forces the dream. It's Shirou's choice who (and what) he dreams about.
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Old 2010-12-22, 22:53   Link #558
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Rider doesn't "pretend" to be anyone. All she does is forces the dream. It's Shirou's choice who (and what) he dreams about.
But I thought she can modify the content? At least, the Ataraxia threesome indicates so...

Anyway, it's a nice breather chapter - though it's more like a 'calm before the storm' chapter to me
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Old 2010-12-23, 00:06   Link #559
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Chapter Nine is up on FF.net.
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Old 2010-12-23, 08:40   Link #560
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Really awesome. I always wondered if having those servants inside of you would affect you like that, but i don't recall it ever being developed in Fate Stay. Maybe Fate Zero...

Anyway, I don't mean to be picky, but having a fever means it's far more likely to be the flu than a common cold.
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