2010-12-16, 07:02 | Link #161 |
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I'm not going to lie. Shimono Hiro is no doubt, miscasting, which is not his fault but Manglobe's. I also thought at first he is doing fine job. However, as I watch through the episodes again and again, Shimono's Yoshii Akihisa voice is just ruining the picture of what Keima should be. I don't care about Jun Fukuyama, but Shimono is one of the visible reasons for this horrible DVD/BD rankings and fans going away.
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2010-12-16, 07:06 | Link #162 |
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That's the problem; at best they liked him which might have been good enough if not for the fact that Keima is one of the best protagonist ever written for a manga. And I don't think anyone can claim that Hiro Shimono has given a performance that truly shows how awesome Keima is. I think most would have imagined him as a Lelouch or Light instead of a Akihisa before the anime aired, so there's definitely a miscast here.
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2010-12-16, 08:51 | Link #163 | |
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2010-12-16, 09:16 | Link #164 | |
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I wouldn't classify that as very popular.. it's notable but not "popular".. I mean people act like Medaka Box is a flop and it does 70-80k for its opening week...
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2010-12-16, 15:27 | Link #165 | |
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And pacing is hardly the only issue. Mystifying rewrites that alter the impact of everything from the mythology of the series (Keima's initiation of conversation at the end of episode 1) to the characterization of a heroine (Shiori's meek confrontation with the chairman at the end of episode 11). A pathological urge to throw in overwrought pathos at every opportunity (if Manglobe didn't want to adapt a light-hearted series, they shouldn't have optioned TWGOK). Piss-poor comedic direction during the capture arcs (and spot-on during the "fillers"). Hell, a failure to properly market what on screen is turning into a generic (if high production value) eroge-adaption-style anime. Any other similar series would have flooded the magazines with cheesecake shots of their heroines, instead of setting up a CD of forgettable pop tunes to hit after the series is over... It wouldn't have bettered their adaptation, but it least they might have become more popular... But the main issue I have with this adaptatioon is that its soul just doesn't feel the same. It's so boring and bland. It's the same kind of problem Hollywood has with so many of its adaptations. X is currently popular. Studio sees a property that outwardly resembles X. Studio adapts property and accentuates its similarities to X while diminishing its differences. That's how you get a (playful at mildest) parody of eroge adaptations and "cute girl" anime turned into a near textbook example. Hiro Shimono I have no problem with. If they had adapted the manga properly, I might have had more of an issue with him, but probably not. I still think Mamoru Miyano would have been perfect (equal parts Death the Kid and Light Yagami), but Shimono is more than adequate.
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Let's say TWGOK is a Honda Civic. It's not as popular as the expensive gas-guzzler your obnoxious neighbor likes to slow roll up and down the street, but it's inexpensive, reliable, gets great gas mileage, is easy to take care of, has attractive (if not exactly breathtaking) styling, and, as someone who has owned one can attest, drives like a dream. Manglobe doesn't need to be adding a spoiler, custom rims, ground effects, and a gaudy paint job. Sure, a certain crowd may prefer that kind of thing, but what good does it do you if it doesn't handle as well now, it starts rattling like a caged demon once you get it over 65, and the cute girl next door giggles at you every time you bottom out rolling into your driveway?
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Of course, it's my opinion. However, it's still true that there are some sort of huge holes in Manglobe's direction throughout the series that I just can't ignore. Those might look very insignificant, but those small things are what cause majority of fans to turn around. These kind of specific directions are actually what SHAFT is good at, except the fact that they go overboard with these stuff and make it too 'shafty', creating tons of antis.
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2010-12-17, 09:03 | Link #169 | |
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2010-12-17, 09:31 | Link #170 | |
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And even then, I can actually forgive that, up to a point. If they want to make the capture arcs a bit more serious and leave the "filler episodes" as islands of humor, I can see the reasoning behind that. It's just the extension and exaggeration of those capture arcs push it over my limit. In both the Kanon and Shiori arcs, there are times when what they do works, but there are also numerous times where you're actively waiting for something to happen—about, oh...22 minutes worth in each arc. Seriously, even leaving things as they have done, if they had lopped an episode each from Kanon and Shiori, squeezed in an extra arc (Kusunoki or preferably Hakua), and gone 13 episodes, keeping to the brisk but consistent pace of the first several episodes (up to and including Kanon's first episode), I'd have been golden.
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2010-12-17, 09:47 | Link #171 | |
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It's pretty obvious that pacing is not a cause of DVD sales, because I know how Mio's arc was well paced and Ayumi arc was super fast. It's something else, more complicated.
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2010-12-17, 16:38 | Link #172 |
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Well, that was my opinion but I admit that there are a lot of Jun fans that wanted him to voice Keima but honestly, I never imagined Keima speaking like Lulu before Kami Nomi was animated. I haven't heard complains of Kanae voicing Elsie though.
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2010-12-17, 21:17 | Link #173 |
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Hiro Shimono isn't the problem. The only way he could be is if his voice was so terribly unfitting (e.g. this and this) that it becomes unintentionally funny or annoying. Shimono fits Keima's character well enough.
One problem is with the tone of Kanon and Shiori's arcs. The anime begins with a close adaptation to the manga and begins their arc on a light, humorous note. Then the next episode it's completely serious. The transition is fairly abrupt and inappropriate. If the anime wants to keep the comedy, then it needs to be kept throughout the entire arc. If the anime wants to make it a serious romance, then the comedy should have been toned down from the start, even if it is unfaithful to the manga. The second problem is the girls (or lack thereof) this season. The story doesn't pick up until Haqua and Tenri appear, and I'm sure plenty of fans are partial to at least one of the girls past Shiori. If the studio had made up its mind on whether to make the anime a comedic parody like the manga, or a serious romance like they did for the latter half of Kanon and Shiori's captures, the anime would have been better received as a seious romance, or fit more girls in if they decide to stick to the comedy. |
2010-12-18, 10:08 | Link #174 | |
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Well, I admit that many fans love more Haqua and Tenri/Diana (personally I love them too) than any of the capture girls. I also remember that there was a poll in Red Hawk Scans and as far as I remember the most favorite captured girl was Chihiro and she was far ahead than the girls of this season so it may be right about that part. I wonder how the second season will go: Kusonoki, Haqua, Chihiro and Tsukiyo arcs next season. |
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2010-12-18, 20:22 | Link #176 | |
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and seeing the pre-order ranking, I doubt we will have Yui's story getting animated.
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2010-12-19, 00:21 | Link #177 | |
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I was hoping we'd get a third season and a chance at Tenri/Diana, but at this point we'll be lucky if they can even fit the rest of the heroines from the PV into two...
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2010-12-19, 12:10 | Link #179 |
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at that pacing it still had a 1 episode filler. What if a half episode filler? though I kinda like that pacing though I also like the filler chapters of the manga. And the anime already didn't animate much of it.
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