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Old 2010-12-23, 05:59   Link #2261
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Yeah I think we all need to remember that Kinzo IS FREAKING INSANE. Just think of all the crazy stuff this guy does.
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Old 2010-12-23, 09:02   Link #2262
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I'll imagine he did. It's not uncommon for people who've suffered so much to come up with their own interpretation of reality, especially when deep regret is involved. But really, what happened then is as much a catbox as Rokkenjima. Unless we get some reds or someone 'opens' it, the truth is anyone's guess.
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Old 2010-12-23, 12:08   Link #2263
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Sorta makes you wonder if he stole Beatrice back then as well...
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Old 2010-12-23, 12:16   Link #2264
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Sorry if this has been mentioned in the past but ...

If Yasu/ShKanon/Beatrice is exactly true (which it is, I'm sure of it), then what of the relationship with Jessica and Kanon, and George and Shannon? Is it all 'an illusion'?


Plus, I suppose ShKanon/Yasu/Beatrice would have 'snapped
after George's proposal...

Unless it's all fake, for some odd reason.
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Old 2010-12-23, 12:22   Link #2265
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Sorry if this has been mentioned in the past but ...

If Yasu/ShKanon/Beatrice is exactly true (which it is, I'm sure of it), then what of the relationship with Jessica and Kanon, and George and Shannon? Is it all 'an illusion'?


Plus, I suppose ShKanon/Yasu/Beatrice would have 'snapped
after George's proposal...

Unless it's all fake, for some odd reason.
Those relations could be an addition for the crazy stuff that is going on in Yasu's mind.
All "personas" have a different love, and that would explain the battle where Furfur and Zepar could only grant "one successful" love for the three pairs.

Meaning: For Yasu, all of those loves must be "true" because the three of them "exists" in 'her' world.
Oh well...
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Old 2010-12-23, 12:41   Link #2266
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Just in case, according to Ryukishi, Shannon ang George really love each other. Nothing has been said about this with Jessica/Kanon, but given the leitmotiv of umineko I hope/suppose that it is also "true".
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Old 2010-12-23, 14:44   Link #2267
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Just in case, according to Ryukishi, Shannon ang George really love each other.
He's 'embellishing the truth' here. He does that quite a bit in interviews, mostly to set up twists that would be obvious otherwise.
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Old 2010-12-23, 14:52   Link #2268
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He's 'embellishing the truth' here. He does that quite a bit in interviews, mostly to set up twists that would be obvious otherwise.
If 'Shannon' and 'George' are just third order fictional characters anyway, then that really isn't an embellishment at all, but more like he's just mocking those that haven't come to that conclusion.

Either one of those is kind of rude, though.
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Old 2010-12-23, 14:58   Link #2269
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Sorta makes you wonder if he stole Beatrice back then as well...
Kind of puts a slightly less romantic spin on all that "I'm gonna kidnap you!" talk, doesn't it?
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Old 2010-12-23, 15:11   Link #2270
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Either one of those is kind of rude, though.
This is the man who spent interviews prior to Ep4's release hinting that Umineko had no solution and was just a meaningless waste of time.
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Old 2010-12-23, 15:22   Link #2271
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This is the man who spent interviews prior to Ep4's release hinting that Umineko had no solution and was just a meaningless waste of time.
And also went through the trouble of explicitly insulting a large portion of his fanbase in Episode 6.
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Old 2010-12-23, 16:35   Link #2272
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Yeah I think we all need to remember that Kinzo IS FREAKING INSANE. Just think of all the crazy stuff this guy does.
Except no, he isn't. You're confusing Kinzo with the WAHAHAHA GOLDSMITH fantasy.
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Old 2010-12-23, 16:37   Link #2273
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Except no, he isn't. You're confusing Kinzo with the WAHAHAHA GOLDSMITH fantasy.
*ahem*

Clock bombs? Epitaph riddles? Wincest?

I would say we can reasonably conclude those are not the actions of a man in his right mind.
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Old 2010-12-23, 16:39   Link #2274
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Except no, he isn't. You're confusing Kinzo with the WAHAHAHA GOLDSMITH fantasy.
He went insane after Bice's death. Not do the OH DESIRE degree, but getting a child with your child is not a lot of sane people do.
After Beatrice II's death, he went mad with grief, I would say. He seemed to pretty much hate his family too.
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Old 2010-12-23, 19:22   Link #2275
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Oh...

This has probably been brought up before but...

That "memory" of Battler telling Yasu the type of girl he likes; where does that fit into the timeline?

While Yasu is simply embellishing her story with fantasy, there's truth amongst all that and there doesn't seem to be place where that memory fits in... unless, I'm missing something?
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Old 2010-12-23, 20:01   Link #2276
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Huh. I've finally finished it.

The main story was sort bland. It ended a little too cleanly for my tastes, though the obvious hints to the killer's identity were pretty good.

The real awesomeness takes place in the tea parties. I was getting tired of all the funeral nonsense in the main story, so I'm glad to see the game board we're all so familiar with once again. But as usual, everything turns to tragedy soon enough.

Bern really knows how to liven up a party, with a scythe and an army of cats. As promised in the previous EP, she rips out a few guts, so I'm glad.

Bern just keeps getting more and more awesome in Chiru.

Anyway, I don't know if its been mentioned, but Battler and (fake) Beato's relationship in the 6th arc is eerily similar to the relationship of Kinzo and the Kuwadorian Beatrice.
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Old 2010-12-23, 20:02   Link #2277
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Oh...

This has probably been brought up before but...

That "memory" of Battler telling Yasu the type of girl he likes; where does that fit into the timeline?

While Yasu is simply embellishing her story with fantasy, there's truth amongst all that and there doesn't seem to be place where that memory fits in... unless, I'm missing something?
They kind of left that unexplained didn't they? Like a lot of things in episode 6. It was mentioned though.

I assume it was the same year he made his promise and we just weren't shown it again.
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Old 2010-12-23, 22:11   Link #2278
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Oh...

This has probably been brought up before but...

That "memory" of Battler telling Yasu the type of girl he likes; where does that fit into the timeline?

While Yasu is simply embellishing her story with fantasy, there's truth amongst all that and there doesn't seem to be place where that memory fits in... unless, I'm missing something?
Obviously that happened in 1980 or a year before that.

I don't see any inconsistency with this. Beatrice only took the shape of the kind of woman that Battler likes the most after the second world change in 1983. Before that Yasu/Beatrice didn't have any reason to take such a shape.
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Old 2010-12-23, 23:09   Link #2279
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Yea, i think you're right... It's easier to think of the what we saw as being a memory of a memory instead. We're being shown her remembering when she asked Battler what type of woman she likes and then her passing it on to Beatrice right at that moment.

That makes sense right? heh
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Old 2010-12-23, 23:58   Link #2280
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Okay...okay... *panting*

I finished EP7. Before I stagger off to bed, I need to ask. I know Ryukishi/Hachijo/Featherine/whatever would be disappointed in me, but here goes.

Can someone give a coherent list of 'translations' for Will's solutions to Clair's mysteries? I grasped a few of them, but the majority just confused me even more. Help?
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