AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Discussion > Older Series

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2010-12-25, 03:20   Link #421
thundrakkon
Fly Away into the Night
*Graphic Designer
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: USA
Quote:
Originally Posted by larethian View Post
FAIL!

Just a question to those who have NOT played the VN, after watching this, how keen does this make you in wanting to try playing the VN?
Well, after watching this series, not really interested at all. Overall, the series was kind of boring, and the ending did not explain much. It felt like there is a story and plot out there somewhere, but they decided to do slice of life everyday. However, the slice of life did not feel cozy or heartwarming, and the humor was limited.

I don't have time to play much video games anymore, so this would definitely not be something I would want to spend time on.
__________________
thundrakkon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 04:21   Link #422
Jerseykid
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
I would also like to state for the record that if you're going to have vampires in your anime you need to have way more cool vampire stuff going on.
Jerseykid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 05:09   Link #423
Skyfall
Lost in my dreams...
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Age: 28
Having slept on it i can't say it made me appreciate the ending more, so here is the comparison between the anime's and VN's ending.


Spoiler for game mussings, difference between how anime and game ended:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerseykid View Post
I would also like to state for the record that if you're going to have vampires in your anime you need to have way more cool vampire stuff going on.
Not necessarily - a vampire show doesn't need to be the next Hellsing (which isn't a vampire show ... it's a demon show ) with insane badassery dripping from every corner, or even Vampire Knight with constant tension and angst in the air. While vampires are indeed typically used for "cool action stuff", that doesn't have to be the only way how to do a story about vampires - one about vampires trying to live their lives as 'humanly' as possible within their limitations is a quite viable scenario. Of course, how good the anime was at conveying that (and they did cut out all the "cool vampire stuff" by not animating the True End) is up in the air, however.
__________________

Last edited by Skyfall; 2010-12-25 at 13:47.
Skyfall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 05:53   Link #424
Fnights
Yoku dekimashita!
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Europe
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skyfall View Post
So ...yeah. "Play the game for a satisfying conclusion" is all i can say, and if that's what the anime was trying to convey, one might argue they succeeded.
Thanks for the more summary. I've difficult play the game for language issues but the manga is translated (at least 3 volumes over 5), so what's you opinion of the manga? It follow better the novel compared to the anime? Worth?
__________________
Current anime list
All anime i'm able to watch!

Current manga list
Claymore | Yumekui Merry | Uwa Koi | Berserk | Aku no Ana
Fnights is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 06:53   Link #425
Wrath88
Kissing...
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
I really should play the game... have it as part of my backlog. Guess this series goes under 'play for full enjoyment' like 11eyes did. Geez, that one was even more fail than this one...
__________________
Okairii, Nerine-chan
Wrath88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 08:34   Link #426
Haak
Forever Alone...
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: UK
Age: 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by larethian View Post
FAIL!

Just a question to those who have NOT played the VN, after watching this, how keen does this make you in wanting to try playing the VN?
I've only recently gotten into VN but I'm not interested in playing this at all, despite many protesting at how much better it is...
__________________
Haak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 10:06   Link #427
haiz123321
Obey me world!
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by larethian View Post
FAIL!

Just a question to those who have NOT played the VN, after watching this, how keen does this make you in wanting to try playing the VN?
I've been intrested in the VN ever since I first saw the OP, which was about a year or a few months before the airing date. After watching the anime, I still intend to give this a go, though I'll have to polish up my japanese before that.
It's just my personal opinion but I think that you shouldn't let how the anime turned out affect your views on the VN itself as the VN usually has more content and well, I don't think that it's news to us that anime adaptations of VN and manga usually turn out pretty bad.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath88 View Post
I really should play the game... have it as part of my backlog. Guess this series goes under 'play for full enjoyment' like 11eyes did. Geez, that one was even more fail than this one...
Going off topic but were you referring to the 11eyes anime or novel? The former did suck but the latter was awesome.

My thoughts:
I was rather disappointed at the ending cause I waited for the anime to finish airing before watching it as I didn't like to wait for the episodes. The fact that they ended with the typical "more than friends but less than lovers" ending was largely disappointing. However, the drama in the last 2 episodes were pretty good, though still lacking. You'd think that the anime producers would learn by now that a romance anime without a kiss scene is a huge failure. Even without the said scene, at least show some kind of scene which strongly hints the main character and a heroine as a couple.

I believe that had they made it a 24-26 episode anime instead of 12 episodes, the series would've turned out differently. With that said, the way the ended the anime had a good feel to it compared to most other anime where they rather abruptly end the series. I know what I'm saying is kind of a paradox but yeah. Hope the OVA can somehow save the series.
__________________

Long Live Lelouch! Waiting for Tales of the World:RM2 USA release
haiz123321 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 11:42   Link #428
Vlazz
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Something felt missing. It felt like there was a lot that wasn't explained. Kuze was basically ignored the 2nd half of the show. It's like she was slowly becoming friends then all of the development with her stopped and everyone stopped caring about her. But the biggest issue is the ending didn't really have any romantic resolution. No declaration of love, nothing. Just "everybody is friends" ending. I'm disappointed.

It sucks that the anime is just a shameless promotion for the VN instead of being a complete stand alone adaption.

edit:

@Skyfall


What the heck? Erica's route looked like a good story. I can't believe they ruined the anime.

Last edited by Vlazz; 2010-12-25 at 12:00.
Vlazz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 13:41   Link #429
Kaoru Chujo
Minase Inori
 
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Okay, as often happens, I have a different point of view. I enjoyed this show for what it was. An enjoyable little love story with likable characters and an interesting situation.

Sure they could have told us more: about Kuze, about Mama, etc. But I don't see any loose ends. Kuze became her servant centuries ago. As for cool vampire stuff, I thought there was plenty of that here: the heartbeats, the bloodbags, the servant concept (slightly different from a renfield), the brother and the nun. But those weren't the real focus, which was on the relationship between Erika and Kouhei.

Shiki this ain't, but I found it enjoyable. The character design I thought was particularly good. And the voices excellent, from Junichi Suwabe and Kanda Rie and OnoD to Taguchi Hiroko and Nabatame Hitomi.
__________________
MINASE Inori 水瀬いのり age 18. 2010 Occult Academy (Akari). 2011 Uta no Prince-sama 1000% (students). 2012 Nukko (Sumire), Symphogear (minor roles). 2013 Love Lab (Suzu), Super Seisyun Brothers (Kohara Shiyo). 2014 Robot Girls Z (Gre-chan), Nobunaga The Fool (Chibihane, Toku), Black Bullet (Mibu), Is the order a rabbit? (Chino), Sugar Soldier (Kisaragi Makoto), Gargantia OVA (Rima), Locodol (Mirai), Aldnoah.Zero (Eddelrittuo), Sora no Method (Noel).
Hashihime blog | Twitter @nakanokimi | summer 2014 previews | summer 2014 schedule |
characters/seiyuus: | Mahouka Koukou | Glasslip | Tokyo Ghoul | Sailor Moon Crystal | Locodol | Ao Haru Ride | Hanayamata | Aldnoah.Zero | Nozaki-kun | Magimoji Rurumo | Zankyou no Terror | Tokyo ESP | Rokujouma no Shinryakusha | Love Stage!! | Jinsei | Rail Wars | Blade Dance | Himegoto
Kaoru Chujo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 15:23   Link #430
Johnny
Working the bags...
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
I don't see the love in the love story though. The way it was portrayed I would say it was more of a friendship story then anything else. Hell, he never called her anything other vice president the entire time. Only mentioning her name once when talking to Kaya...
Johnny is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 15:27   Link #431
Cyz
"Show it to me"
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: In solitude, where we are least alone
The ending is anti climactic. I was hoping for a more romance between Kohei and Erika but somehow it ended abruptly. *sigh* The relationship was getting good too with all the vampire craving/love issue stuff.
__________________
~~ Project Cyz ~~
"There is no spoon"
~~~~~
Currently Watching:
-- too lazy to put it together --
~~~~~
Current sig:
Takanashi Rikka from
Chuunibyou Demo Koi ga Shitai!
~~~~
Big thanx to Patchy for the sig
Cyz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 19:34   Link #432
Hooves
♣~Sleepy~♣
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Xanadu
Age: 20
Send a message via Skype™ to Hooves
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyz View Post
The ending is anti climactic. I was hoping for a more romance between Kohei and Erika but somehow it ended abruptly. *sigh* The relationship was getting good too with all the vampire craving/love issue stuff.
I know... I was left dazzled by how unsatisfying it went with all the buildup it had wonderfully placed.. But either way, was a fun ride for this anime
__________________
MyAnimeList (Hoovesahoy)
Avatar from: Hooves
Signature from: Patchy
Hooves is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 19:57   Link #433
velvet nightmare
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
this anime has got to be one of the biggest failures i've ever seen when it comes to telling a story.

the whole series basically sidesteps the whole point of the series/story even existing, vampires and humans. if you were looking for more of slice of life genre, then this series definitely boring and lack luster

it'd be ok if they left a cliff hanger or one of those endings where it's open and you have to think one up yourself but nope, we get this shit where it's all packaged like it's a happy end except it's not
__________________
velvet nightmare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 19:59   Link #434
Hooves
♣~Sleepy~♣
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Xanadu
Age: 20
Send a message via Skype™ to Hooves
Quote:
Originally Posted by velvet nightmare View Post
this anime has got to be one of the biggest failures i've ever seen when it comes to telling a story.

the whole series basically sidesteps the whole point of the series/story even existing, vampires and humans. if you were looking for more of slice of life genre, then this series definitely boring and lack luster

it'd be ok if they left a cliff hanger or one of those endings where it's open and you have to think one up yourself but nope, we get this shit where it's all packaged like it's a happy end except it's not
velvet nightmare sure does bring what the vast majority think about the conclusion to this anime... It seemed unmoving from the first 5-6 episodes? Then when it finally started moving, it actually got a good build-up... But with an ending like this.. It left alot of people unsatisfied..
__________________
MyAnimeList (Hoovesahoy)
Avatar from: Hooves
Signature from: Patchy
Hooves is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 20:51   Link #435
Arya
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: May 2004
I'm not so surprised they failed the ending too, I mean, after episode 4 the show showed all its limits. The story was predictable, the side characters looked like were chosen randomly and put here and there along the story. And, I didn't count them, but on 12 episodes, how many school festival did they organize?
Is this a sort of reverse advertising? something like ok, this is a hint of what the game is, we left you unsatisfied, now buy it to fill your emptiness!
Anyways the only thing I'm glad of is that they didn't give kiriha screentime at all, she looked a really cool character, (I don't know if she really was) so they hadn't time to ruin her too
Arya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 21:17   Link #436
DasDingus
Dango Daikaizoku
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Southern California
Bleh. Extremely disappointed in the ending. I started watching this show more as an after thought mostly due to the character designs and because I enjoy VN adaptations in general so I didn't have particularly high expectations coming into this, particularly compared to the shows I was really interested in (TWGOK, YnS and Oreimo). The first few episodes were basically what I expected. I really liked Kiriha but the show was painfully generic. Then around episode 8 when the main story felt like it actually got going I became really interested. At that point FA became the show I was looking forward to most each week and I was ready to label it my surprise of the season. This feeling persisted through the build up to this final episode but then we got this... I hesitate to call it an ending because it clearly wasn't. If there's one thing I despise it's crappy non-endings where everything is supposed to be wrapped up but there are far to many loose ends. I was expecting a meaningful ending and instead we got this where nothing has changed yet everybody's happy for some reason. As the OP played for the last time and the credits rolled I was left wondering "Is that it?" I thought that when they caught the parachute together they'd at least throw me a bone and have Kouhei and Erika kiss but no such luck there either. Instead we're left with this bland, chaste relationship where for some reason he's still calling her Vice-President. I still liked the show.. I guess? But it was awfully bland and generic.

Quote:
Originally Posted by larethian View Post
FAIL!

Just a question to those who have NOT played the VN, after watching this, how keen does this make you in wanting to try playing the VN?
I am actually quite interested in playing the VN now because I really like the characters and their design which are among the few things that translate directly from the VN to the anime. If we can keep those but improve the storytelling and romance I feel like it would be something extremely enjoyable. So I will wait patiently for an english translation and then maybe I can actually enjoy what Fortune Arterial has to offer.
__________________
DasDingus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 21:27   Link #437
Shadow5YA
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Spoiler for ep 12:
Shadow5YA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-25, 21:35   Link #438
cyberdemon
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow5YA View Post
Spoiler for ep 12:
perhaps they will do a season 2
cyberdemon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-26, 00:07   Link #439
relentlessflame
 
*Administrator
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Age: 32
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo View Post
Okay, as often happens, I have a different point of view. I enjoyed this show for what it was. An enjoyable little love story with likable characters and an interesting situation.

Sure they could have told us more: about Kuze, about Mama, etc. But I don't see any loose ends. Kuze became her servant centuries ago. As for cool vampire stuff, I thought there was plenty of that here: the heartbeats, the bloodbags, the servant concept (slightly different from a renfield), the brother and the nun. But those weren't the real focus, which was on the relationship between Erika and Kouhei.
I guess my main disappointment is that this is almost certainly the end of the line as far as the anime goes (OAD episode notwithstanding), and there is so much more to be told. Yet, because of the way it was told, I'm not really sure where they can go from here if they're using the game as a model. If they were to announce that a second season is starting in April or some such and that this is a split-cour show, the ending would make a whole lot more sense (it would be similar to D.C. II and D.C. II S.S., which this writer was also involved in adapting). But without that, it even doesn't have as much to offer as a "love story" as it could/should because neither of them have even realized/accepted that they're more than just close friends. The ending just didn't really have any form of "pay-off" to offer over the long term; it resolved most of the major plot threads (Kouhei's migratory bird analogy, Erika's blood lust and need to take a servant, the roles of the major players in this story, etc.) but it's basically still a "To Be Continued" with no indication the continuation will ever come (except, of course, in the game).

(Now I find myself wondering if it actually is possible that they might have done this expressly to allow for a second season, but I'm not honestly sure how they could make that work. But it would explain why we have a quasi-non-end; a second season would sort of be the equivalent to the second playthrough to get the true ending, though they'd have to create a few new events to prevent repetition. Trying to kind of fit both endings into a single linear timeline???)

Edit: I just merged the two above posted into this thread from the Game thread (since they're talking about only the anime) and I guess I'm not the only one who thought this.
__________________
[...]
relentlessflame is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2010-12-26, 00:16   Link #440
Shinji103
Crazy Devout Fanboy
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: 1st Ra Cailum-class battleship Ra Cailum, port-side officer's bunks
Well with any luck, the OVA/OAD will add some better closure to this. Indeed quite disappointing, especially after the awesome conclusion of the game.
__________________
Shinji103 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
comedy, drama, eroge, romance, school life, seinen, vampire

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 17:22.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
We use Silk.