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Old 2011-01-04, 00:59   Link #41
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Yuki Nagato this is not. She's Kuudere.
Lol my bad. I remember seeing emotionless girl when I read that trope...

On the Ange dere debate, I'm pretty sure she's kuudere.
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Old 2011-01-04, 15:48   Link #42
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Nah, she's pretty Tsun, given how she passive-aggressively picks at Battler for dickin' around and not taking things seriously.
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Old 2011-01-05, 09:58   Link #43
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In the VN, just how badly was Ange bullied at school? The anime had that one incident, but the manga made it look like gang violence (to quote CLAMP). The frame I saw from the VN made it sound more like she was shunned, with her bodyguards keeping anyone from getting close to her.

Interesting note: Ange's appearance and habit of throwing money around is obviously a tribute to Komachi Onozuka from Touhou. Usually she's portrayed as a slacker, but in ZUN's new Touhou manga (Wild and Horned Hermit), she comes across as a badass. Do you think Zun is reverse-importing Ange's character into her?
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Old 2011-01-05, 16:18   Link #44
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Ange was pretty heavily bullied. The "one incident" in the anime was kind of toned down, but they kept her there after classes and during lunch breaks and stuff all day for a couple days, and wouldn't even let her use the bathroom until it was time for lights out and such. They also did shit like intentionally losing her handouts and homework and shit, pretty much sabotaging any hope she might have of actually being a good student.
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Old 2011-01-08, 20:18   Link #45
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Er, what are you talking about? The time limit and Blue Truth only helped the player.
No, actually they didn't, seeing as setting a time limit, meant that Beato wasn't obliged to answer with the red truth up until 24 o'clock on the 5th. Which meant that, let's say if the killer were to kill on the 4th and 5th, but somehow die before the clock reaches 24, Beato would have still been able to declare him dead with the red. As for the blue, again, it limited the player, since Beato only started using the red when forced by the blue text, unlike the previous games when she haded it out like candy. I remember wanting to throttle her when these two issues came out in ep 4.
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Old 2011-01-08, 20:39   Link #46
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The time limit and Blue Truth are both set so that Beatrice can't just NEVER answer a question that would hurt her if she did. Beatrice stopped handing Red Truth out so readily because she realized that 1) Battler was relying on it as a crutch and wasn't reasoning for himself and 2) It was too disadvantageous to her.

As Ange pointed out, without the Blue Truth rule, if Beatrice refuses to answer something, it doesn't tell us shit. Did she refuse to say something in Red because she couldn't, or because she didn't want to?

Atleast this way, we can be more certain that if Beato doesn't repeat something before the time limit is up, it's because she can't.

As for the time limit specifically, that is also for Battler's benefit. He just never uses it to his advantage at any point, ever.
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Old 2011-01-08, 23:17   Link #47
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Even with the blue text rule, Beatrice can still choose to hold back red text. Reread the Episode 4 ????. Bern & 34 had some red truths.
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Old 2011-01-08, 23:29   Link #48
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Yea, the problem being that Beatrice was trying to effectively commit assisted suicide. It is by no means the same thing.

In arguments in Chiru, where it's stuff like Battler VS Erika or whatever, that sort of thing doesn't happen.
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Old 2011-04-05, 08:53   Link #49
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So.. not really adding something to the character discussion itself here, but more like character design...

I was looking for some stocks to work with on my sigs when I found out this Touhou character named Onozuka Komachi - which I thought it was Ange until I saw the tags on the image...

Does anyone else finds them terribly alike?

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I know Ryuukishi likes Touhou but aren't they a bit too alike? :s You can argue that Jessica looks like Marisa, but I don't think they're this alike...
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Old 2011-04-05, 11:37   Link #50
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The fanart makes her look very similar to Ange, the original not so much.
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I don't know if this is the best topic for talking about Ange, and it may sound incredibly naive, but...

Spoiler for EP8:
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Old 2011-04-05, 14:42   Link #52
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Spoiler for EP8:
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Pretty much. And the two causes/effects are probably mutually-causing; the Meta-World seems to like that sort of chicken/egg bullshit because it's METAPHORICAL. Logical causality literally doesn't mean anything.
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Old 2011-04-05, 22:09   Link #56
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Not to be a partypooper, but the character threads are supposed to be anime only guys. VN spoilers are only allowed if you're comparing something that happens in the anime with something that happens later in the VN. And that's kind of difficult to do and loosely defined anyway. The Q&A and spoilers threads might be better suited for this discussion I think.

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Old 2011-04-06, 03:13   Link #58
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Old 2011-04-10, 20:31   Link #59
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Regarding Ange's character...I always felt she was kind of dull/boring. I mean, I felt for her sometimes, but certain cases I just felt like she just didn't care or cared way too much. I also felt she was waaay into her magic stuff and because of that she pretty much essentially placed a sign on her forehead "BULLY ME." I mean, I know she didn't mean it, but singling herself out and not bothering trying to be social and make friends is pretty much just begging to be a sitting duck target for bullies. Bullies are less likely going to go after someone that other people would stand up for or would try to protect. I mean, I don't know if Ange really did try to make friends or not, but she essentially seemed to have the body language of that she didn't want to bother making friends and was more focused on her magic fantasies and her imaginary friends.
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I truly suggest you read arc 4 again, it explains why Ange has no friends.
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