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Old 2011-01-15, 00:24   Link #1061
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Well, considering since Cecilia said that he was fighting in default mode first, there must be some kind of upgrades to his performance once he transformed!
The way they use the word, I get the impression that the machine was still calibrating or synchronizing with it's new pilot, once that's done the pilot should/would have better control over the machine and hence the better performance.

It's like zero-ing your rifle, should you could still shoot it, but it's better/easier if you configure it to suit yourself.
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Old 2011-01-15, 00:26   Link #1062
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I found different that Ichika is sitting right in front of the teacher, in most of animes the protag sits in the last row of chairs by the window
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Old 2011-01-15, 00:27   Link #1063
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They put him at the front middle so all the female classmates can stare at him. :P
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Old 2011-01-15, 00:30   Link #1064
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The way they use the word, I get the impression that the machine was still calibrating or synchronizing with it's new pilot, once that's done the pilot should/would have better control over the machine and hence the better performance.

It's like zero-ing your rifle, should you could still shoot it, but it's better/easier if you configure it to suit yourself.
^ More or less the impression the episode provided. As Chifuyu mentioned, fitting and calibration of the IS had to be done in the field due to how late the Byakku Shiki arrived, and so the IS was essentially trying to adjust to Ichika's fighting style throughout the battle. Transforming into First Shift meant the IS had synchronized itself to Ichika, and could thus be wielded more comfortably, allowing Ichika to go full power.

I'd prefer the analogy of custom hotkeys myself: playing a game with default settings is nice, but once you customize your hotkeys to the settings you're comfortable with you can bring out your A-game better.
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Old 2011-01-15, 00:31   Link #1065
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The way they use the word, I get the impression that the machine was still calibrating or synchronizing with it's new pilot, once that's done the pilot should/would have better control over the machine and hence the better performance.

It's like zero-ing your rifle, should you could still shoot it, but it's better/easier if you configure it to suit yourself.
This is the most logical conclusion. Seeing as the suit has AI I would assume his suit configured itself to fit his "type/style".

As for the "Why do I feel like this even though I won?" comment at the end of ep 2....

Thats because YOU REALLY LOST! LOL!
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Old 2011-01-15, 01:40   Link #1066
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I'd laugh my ass off if they put a Nu-13 cameo later on.
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Old 2011-01-15, 02:27   Link #1067
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Using the sniper rifle for the first minutes was actually Cecilia's biggest mistake.
First and foremost, assuming you need to take a aim, sniping like a sitting duck a moving target is the worst move, especially in a mecha situation.
You would rather do it if you have support or terrain advantage, none of which Cecilia had. Therefore, Ichika could gain distance while dodging even though he had hard time.
Worse, Cecilia was doing it on purpose, thus the "Dance for me" comment.

Using all of her weapons ONE AFTER ANOTHER was the worst idea, because it leaves time for your enemy to analyze the pattern etc. If she fired the missiles along with her rifle bits, there would be much less occasion for Ichika to find out the pattern. Furthermore, launching missiles while bits are docking back for ammo reload would give her time to gain more distance and/or sniping him.
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She didn't use them all at once. Not even close. She successively uses her sniper rifle, her rifles bits, and the missiles -only- once her rifle bits were destroyed.
She basically wasted her rifle bits for nothing, and didn't use her missiles as a decoy to gain more distance whatsoever.

I will give the benefit of doubt that she can't move while sniping because of the concentration requirement. However, she definitely doesn't use the outmost advantages she got.
The point of the battle was to drain the opponents shield power to zero. It was not supposed to be a one-hit kill all tactic. As you noticed, Ichika's shield continually went down from all her shots, so she was hitting quite often. If she used all her weapons at once, it could be to her disadvantage as she would use up the energy of those weapons and not have enough time for them to re-energize, allowing her melee opponent to come closer. Furthermore, I am sure she has a limited supply of missiles. That and the fact that she has to concentrate to use her weapons limits her.

Her tactics were working. She only had a little more to go before his shield reached zero.

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New Brunswick is one of the major Military base used for training and research/test weapons for the Canadians. might be relevant if the author knew this.
I m pretty sure Canada has an IS. Judging by the list of Countries i can't see why wouldn't Canada get one is South africa got ISs.
Ah, thanks for the clarification. The only thing I thought would have been an improvement to the map is if they actually showed one of the locations as Area 51, which is the USA's "secret" military research facility where all the latest and greatest technologies come out.

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And wait, wasn't Houki very uptight about being Shinonono's sister earlier, then she suddenly uses it to her advantage like it was nothing? Er...
Yeah, I found that a bit jarring at first, too. However, you use what is at your disposal when you need it, even if you might not agree with it. After some thought, I believe she probably feels vindicated from being able to use her sister's name in order to get what she wants. From what I can guess, she probably feels Shinonono has caused her a lot of grief, with people continuing to question her about Shinonono's disappearance. In a way, this probably feels like payback.

As for Ichika's mecha:

Now, since they have a first shift, it begs to assume that there will be a second shift at some point? I love Shounen anime.
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Old 2011-01-15, 03:18   Link #1068
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Yeah, I found that a bit jarring at first, too. However, you use what is at your disposal when you need it, even if you might not agree with it. After some thought, I believe she probably feels vindicated from being able to use her sister's name in order to get what she wants. From what I can guess, she probably feels Shinonono has caused her a lot of grief, with people continuing to question her about Shinonono's disappearance. In a way, this probably feels like payback.

Er? I thought it was pretty obvious that the point was to show that while Houki has her pride and all, it's not as important to her when it comes to spending time with Ichika. That senior girl was intending to 'steal' Ichika away by claiming her superior knowledge of IS, Houki one-upped her by throwing down the 'Onee-san' card.
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Old 2011-01-15, 03:35   Link #1069
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and we'll wait for episode 3... teh catfight is iminent.
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Old 2011-01-15, 04:40   Link #1070
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Old 2011-01-15, 04:41   Link #1071
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Not really, i am sure they mentioned the actual naming within the show, but i already forgot "Dragoons" is the most widely used/known way to refer to detachable "independent" weapon pods, introduced by Gundam series.
For the record, that's wrong. "Funnels/bits" are the names through which Gundam introduced remote weapons, and is the widely used name. Basically, bits are remote weapons with their own reactors for self-sustained combat. Funnels are remote weapons charged by the mech its attached to, and were more widely used in the Gundam franchise than bits, so "funnels" is the more commonly known of the two names.

"Dragoon" is the name Gundam SEED called its version of funnels 20 years later.
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Old 2011-01-15, 04:41   Link #1072
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So I Just watched the battle in 1st ep once again. Hmm, interesting points:

- Ichika's IS uses the beam saber right from the start and the usage seems longer. Meaning the shield energy storage seems quite abundant for the 1st ep Byakushiki.
- that Byakushiki could use 'Shining Finger'........ >_>;
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Old 2011-01-15, 04:46   Link #1073
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I'd laugh my ass off if they put a Nu-13 cameo later on.
I now have two reasons to keep watching this show.

1) To see if Nu-13 makes a cameo appearance.

2) That ED is going to be pretty damn busy by the end of the series, and i must see it for myself.
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Old 2011-01-15, 04:53   Link #1074
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Old 2011-01-15, 05:02   Link #1075
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For the record, that's wrong. "Funnels/bits" are the names through which Gundam introduced remote weapons, and is the widely used name. Basically, bits are remote weapons with their own reactors for self-sustained combat. Funnels are remote weapons charged by the mech its attached to, and were more widely used in the Gundam franchise than bits, so "funnels" is the more commonly known of the two names.

"Dragoon" is the name Gundam SEED called its version of funnels 20 years later.
Then, Blue Tears's weapon would be "funnels". Because they return to the frame after attacking instead of staying airborne.

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So I Just watched the battle in 1st ep once again. Hmm, interesting points:

- Ichika's IS uses the beam saber right from the start and the usage seems longer. Meaning the shield energy storage seems quite abundant for the 1st ep Byakushiki.
- that Byakushiki could use 'Shining Finger'........ >_>;
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Old 2011-01-15, 06:11   Link #1076
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The point of the battle was to drain the opponents shield power to zero. It was not supposed to be a one-hit kill all tactic. As you noticed, Ichika's shield continually went down from all her shots, so she was hitting quite often. If she used all her weapons at once, it could be to her disadvantage as she would use up the energy of those weapons and not have enough time for them to re-energize, allowing her melee opponent to come closer. Furthermore, I am sure she has a limited supply of missiles. That and the fact that she has to concentrate to use her weapons limits her.

Her tactics were working. She only had a little more to go before his shield reached zero.
There is a point that you absolutely cannot ommit: unless there is a huge difference in term of specs, a ranged attacker cannot stay far away forever, moreso when they have to remain static when they are attacking.

My point for the whole discussion was that Cecilia could actually blow Ichika's shield much faster if she was serious. I never stated she could defeat in one blow, that wasn't the point at all.
The whole deal is to actually remain far away the longest as you can, as over time the distance will shrink unless the opponent is arguably weaker/slower.
Thus, going all out and leaving no momentum serves 2 purposes: draining the opponent's shield, while staying far away as much as possible.
As soon as a ranged attacker is at least at middle range, they are safe. If the opponent is already at melee range, they are doomed to no end, even if they were unscathered so far.

That's why I said she used no tactics whatsoever. Arguably, if she was sticking with sniper and missiles spam from start to finish (with of course, taking the opportunity to keep her distance between each salvo), not even bothering with her bits, she would have wiped the floor.

Something like this:
-Sniper shot 2-3, Missiles salvo while moving backswards (missiles would buy time as Ichika would either have to dodges or destroy them), then repositioning for more sniper shots. Rinse and repeat.
At worst, she would use her bits if Ichika manages to soar way too close.

What she actually did was:
-sniper shots until Ichika was coming close to middle range. Using bits, Docking bits then shooting (the only part where I believe it was the best course of action), More bits, docking (forced to retreat: Ichika already way too close), unleash bits until they got destroyed (Ichika still closer than middle range). Using missiles without moving. Then, using again missiles.
Not really a tactic if you ask me (especially starting moving only when she was about to get hit).

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So I Just watched the battle in 1st ep once again. Hmm, interesting points:

- Ichika's IS uses the beam saber right from the start and the usage seems longer. Meaning the shield energy storage seems quite abundant for the 1st ep Byakushiki.
It is probably because he already got a hang of First Shift, along without being cornered like that right from the get go. The enemy mech is probably beefier, but Byakushiki wasn't hit that much, compared to what happened with Blue Tears.
It is also possible that he got a shield energy tank or something that expanded his shield energy, although I guess we might have surprise energy depletion at times

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Old 2011-01-15, 06:30   Link #1077
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We don't even know what kind of tactics Cecilia normaly uses. We only saw her fight this once. What if the fight against Ichika is the kind of tactics she usually uses when she's fighting other foes?

Its like a basketball or soccer/football matches, or tennis players playing against eachother, where normally each team/individual had their own tactics and strategies they employ.

The fact is we don't know what strategy Cecilia uses until now. Heck, even Ichika didn't gather intel at all about what he's fighting against, her strategy or the way she fights prior the Cecilia match. He's entering the lion's den without even know what he's going against.
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Old 2011-01-15, 06:35   Link #1078
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No offense but... what kind of other strategy would you use as a sniper...?
I mean... the IS itself is specialized in long range attacks, which means: being able to damage the enemy without being affected because of a superior range.
Since they are basically the glass cannon due to the requirements (not being able to move while attacking etc), they are generally support/main firepower with the rest of the squadron supporting/protecting them.

As a sniper, if you are alone and out of the open, you better keep your distance and distract the opponent while doing so, that's just common sense (unless you are BOTH a sniper and a CQC specialist, which is very unlikely). Unless the IS itself has a melee mode switch (which doesn't seem so, since Cecilia was still using missiles after the first shift), you better kite your opponent with the hit and run strategy.

I can't put more emphasis to her speech when she was fighting: she was not taking this battle seriously one bit (until Byakushiki finally formated the First Shift), and she had that defeat coming because of that.
And from the glimpse of that serious battle in Episode 1, she didn't seem to use anything different so huh.
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Old 2011-01-15, 06:42   Link #1079
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I just picked up this show.... and wow... Houki just made me fall in love with tsundere girls again.
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Old 2011-01-15, 06:44   Link #1080
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A real sniper? Hide yourself as stealthy as possible and get the kill without being exposed in the open.

Reality aside, yeah its probably common sense for a sniper unit in a science fiction world using range as its advantage. I was more incline how she normally uses her weaponary in prior matches. With this we could judge how much she fares on her match with Ichika. As for melee mode, you never know.
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