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View Poll Results: To Aru Majutsu no Index II - Episode 15 Rating
Perfect 10 18 23.68%
9 out of 10 : Excellent 27 35.53%
8 out of 10 : Very Good 18 23.68%
7 out of 10 : Good 10 13.16%
6 out of 10 : Average 2 2.63%
5 out of 10 : Below Average 1 1.32%
4 out of 10 : Poor 0 0%
3 out of 10 : Bad 0 0%
2 out of 10 : Very Bad 0 0%
1 out of 10 : Painful 0 0%
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Old 2011-01-23, 00:14   Link #61
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Question of the week: Why does Touma's Imagine Breaker so effective against clothes that were etched a spell, whereas the a magical boat made of ice is completely unaffected?
I mean, he touched at least a wall/ground like... thrice in the previous episode?

Is there any explanation in the LN that the boat is not affected by IB (lol?) or was it JC staff / author screw up?
It's because magic is only used to create the ice and is not needed to maintain the structure. However, the ice golem and the sisters' clothing are maintained and held together by magic. So once the magic is dispelled, they fall apart. Take for instance that a magic user uses their magic to transform a steal bar into a sword. Even if Touma does touches the sword with his Imagine Breaker, it won't turn back into a steal bar since there isn't any magic in it any more. The ice itself is actually a phenomena created by moving the freezing point of the seawater and can be done by either magic or science.

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Old 2011-01-23, 00:59   Link #62
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I'm kinda liking this arc. I keep lolíng with Itsuwa and her towels.
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Old 2011-01-23, 01:14   Link #63
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It's because magic is only used to create the ice and is not needed to maintain the structure. However, the ice golem and the sisters' clothing are maintained and held together by magic. So once the magic is dispelled, they fall apart. Take for instance that a magic user uses their magic to transform a steal bar into a sword. Even if Touma does touches the sword with his Imagine Breaker, it won't turn back into a steal bar since there isn't any magic in it any more. The ice itself is actually a phenomena created by moving the freezing point of the seawater and can be done by either magic or science.
By the way, in case anyone was wondering why they didn't mind firing at their own ship (aside from being who they are), it's because as long as the flagship is functioning, they could easily rebuild those escort ships over and over again using the infinite seawater as a resource.

Also in case people were wondering, the Amakusa kept hold of Angese's Lotus Staff since her defeat in the previous, previous, previous arc.
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Old 2011-01-23, 01:41   Link #64
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Forgive me for my ignorance, but why does Itsuwa want to create events and raise flags with Touma? Is it part of some scheme to find out more about him or are they trying to put her between him and Kaori?
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Old 2011-01-23, 01:47   Link #65
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Old 2011-01-23, 03:41   Link #66
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10 out of 10!

If they can make Wakamoto scream "AMEN!" in the next episode, i will be jumping with joy!
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Old 2011-01-23, 03:44   Link #67
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10 out of 10!

If they can make Wakamoto scream "AMEN!" in the next episode, i will be jumping with joy!
For me his voice immediately make a Onsokumaru's picture in my mind =
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Old 2011-01-23, 06:29   Link #68
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Here's the exact scene from the novel, don't worry it's not a spoiler since this scene was in the episode already.
Good, at least this issue is addressed in the original material, but left completely ignored here.
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It's because magic is only used to create the ice and is not needed to maintain the structure. However, the ice golem and the sisters' clothing are maintained and held together by magic. So once the magic is dispelled, they fall apart. Take for instance that a magic user uses their magic to transform a steal bar into a sword. Even if Touma does touches the sword with his Imagine Breaker, it won't turn back into a steal bar since there isn't any magic in it any more. The ice itself is actually a phenomena created by moving the freezing point of the seawater and can be done by either magic or science.
I can understand that IB cannot reverts something back to its original shape, considering the spell itself has already affected the said object already.
However, wouldn't they need magic to maintain the ice? I mean, it isn't like they are in an environnement below the freezing point, are they?
Heck, not only the boat hull is in constant contact with water of a different temperature, but even the sails are made of ice, so magic should affect it as it cannot be a wind powered vessel, shouldn't it?
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Old 2011-01-23, 06:57   Link #69
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I can understand that IB cannot reverts something back to its original shape, considering the spell itself has already affected the said object already.
However, wouldn't they need magic to maintain the ice? I mean, it isn't like they are in an environnement below the freezing point, are they?
Heck, not only the boat hull is in constant contact with water of a different temperature, but even the sails are made of ice, so magic should affect it as it cannot be a wind powered vessel, shouldn't it?
The temperature thing is another point that is addressed, but I can't remember how.
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Old 2011-01-23, 07:11   Link #70
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Good, at least this issue is addressed in the original material, but left completely ignored here.
Mah~ I suppose If people are curious and 'dedicated' enough to ask, it wouldn't be hard to find out for themselves

To fair it is a minor detail that wouldn't affect the main plot of the arc...

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I can understand that IB cannot reverts something back to its original shape, considering the spell itself has already affected the said object already.
However, wouldn't they need magic to maintain the ice? I mean, it isn't like they are in an environnement below the freezing point, are they?
Heck, not only the boat hull is in constant contact with water of a different temperature, but even the sails are made of ice, so magic should affect it as it cannot be a wind powered vessel, shouldn't it?
Indeed, I speculate that certain parts of the ship still needs magic like the sails for example or the cannons, but it seems that those areas are isolated from the rest of the ship much like the golems were.


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The temperature thing is another point that is addressed, but I can't remember how.
I don't remember it though... Damn, baka-tsuki seems to be down...
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Old 2011-01-23, 07:35   Link #71
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For me his voice immediately make a Onsokumaru's picture in my mind =
The second I heard that voice I found myself saying "Cell?"
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Old 2011-01-23, 08:41   Link #72
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The temperature thing is another point that is addressed, but I can't remember how.
I still have my work here, you know.

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Kamijo prods on the deck with his finger. It’s definitely something similar to ice, the skin sticks to the surface upon contact. It’s not cold; it’s slightly warm like plastic…but ice freezes at 0 degrees Celsius under atmospheric pressure, which is common knowledge. Under several conditions however, the freezing and boiling point can be changed. There exists ice at 20 degrees Celsius and steam at 80 degrees Celsius.
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So even if it’s ice, the floor isn’t slippery. The reason why ice is slippery is because the surface of the ice would melt into water, reducing friction. By changing the melting point, even if the ice touches human skin, it won’t melt, so there won’t be any water on it. This magical stuff probably won’t break even with Kamijo’s right hand touching it, and would have a similar kind of effect as Stiyl’s ‘Innocentius’.
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“The material of the fleet is seawater. As long as the Adriatic Sea doesn’t dry, no matter how dry it is, they have no problem in repairing and building this ship!!”
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Old 2011-01-23, 11:14   Link #73
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i was hoping norio's voice in a giant sword wielding character but....ohh well.
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Old 2011-01-23, 12:25   Link #74
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i was hoping norio's voice in a giant sword wielding character but....ohh well.
Speaks about that character's VA I bet Akio Otsuka for him.
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Old 2011-01-23, 19:45   Link #75
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Well, Norio can still voice a giant sword-wielding character... Lots of people double voice.

But I'd have to say I rather like Sister Angelene. She's cute!
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Old 2011-01-23, 20:04   Link #76
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9/10 This episode is really bring up tension in the arc so far. Makes me want to see more actually.
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Old 2011-01-24, 04:45   Link #77
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10 of 10 This episode episode was awesome with some caracters returning and Touma's heroic speech being ignored LOL

Next ep: time for some big crosses, bitch
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Old 2011-01-24, 07:41   Link #78
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Speaks about that character's VA I bet Akio Otsuka for him.
Joji Nakata, i already said this. I wont accept any other VA for him >_<
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Old 2011-01-24, 11:48   Link #79
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Well too bad the cast in Index will *cough* never have the same VA for another character doing them (most of the time), Jouji Nakata already did Ouma though. "Uncle George" Nakata/Norio Wakamoto voices seem a bit too old for that dude though, but that's just my impression.

Well, good thing this series doesn't include Norio Wakamoto and Nakata Jouji's characters in the same frame in a screen. Else the world would be overcame by awesomeness of blinding light I fear this show will be renamed A Certain <insert phrase fitting for the two here>.
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Old 2011-01-24, 16:00   Link #80
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lol! Mugen is that you? xD
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