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Old 2011-01-30, 13:44   Link #21781
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She'd have to survive the stab wound to her stomach in EP 3, shoot and kill Nanjo and probably George with Shannon if she was still alive at the time. All to die some moments later without leaving any evidence along the way of a person probably bleeding to death moving about the mansion.
Yeah, in ep3 it isn't hugely likely.

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In EP4 she'd have to kill a whole lot people and then someone would have to take her weapon, put a stake in her head, then commit suicide in a matter that hides the weapon. Oh that person would also have to kill a child at some point by what appears is poison since that particular case doesn't quite fit the original murderers MO.
Yep, I think that's pretty much exactly what happened. Shannon is lying right next to the well, and the fantasy scene shows the golden thread rising up out of the well. So... that would be an easy way to get rid of the gun. Motive? If Battler found the gun with Kyrie, it would've all been obvious. I suppose she wanted Battler to blame the witch for everything.

As for Maria... well, it was a peaceful MO, and it seems the killer respected her after death. Better she goes to the "golden land" than be forced to live on in the horribly messed up world.
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Old 2011-01-30, 18:18   Link #21782
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Without getting too spoilerific. Would you guys say the ending in episode 8 could be compared to the Gainax Ending?
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Old 2011-01-30, 18:51   Link #21783
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Without getting too spoilerific. Would you guys say the ending in episode 8 could be compared to the Gainax Ending?
Oh noooo.. you linked to tvtropes... there goes my whole day... productivity zero.


Technically, I would say EP8 actually finished the plot line and character development, so it isn't technically like the GainaxEnding. It maybe more like he resolved those things but didn't resolve the thematic ending; although... not the thematic ending but the remaining questions people had.

Basically, we got the 2/3 ending, but people are still clamoring for the last 1/3, whatever that may be.

Maybe people on the English side are trying to say it's like this:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WriterCopOut
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Old 2011-01-30, 19:05   Link #21784
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Oh noooo.. you linked to tvtropes... there goes my whole day... productivity zero.

Lol, I actually just got out of the TV Tropes blackhole, being suck there for the last few hours.
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Old 2011-01-30, 19:15   Link #21785
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Oh noooo.. you linked to tvtropes... there goes my whole day... productivity zero.


Technically, I would say EP8 actually finished the plot line and character development, so it isn't technically like the GainaxEnding. It maybe more like he resolved those things but didn't resolve the thematic ending; although... not the thematic ending but the remaining questions people had.
I was more of talking in terms of mind screwiness, sorry.

And I just linked you to tvtropes again! ahaha.wav.
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Old 2011-01-30, 22:50   Link #21786
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You've done a terrible thing. D:
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Old 2011-01-31, 01:38   Link #21787
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I have been thinking for a while.............What if we misuderstood What Ryukishi wanted us to find...

what if the only thing that matters in Umineko is the Who and Why dunnit?

what if we take that philosophy to the games......

I have also been thinking for a while that maybe the epitaph does not only contains the answer for the Ushiromiyas'gold......What if the Epitaph is also related to the games......

For example in the first part of the epitaph and the first twilight it describes in some way Umineko's Plot:

Spoiler for Epitaph and Episodes:


This is just especulation
and some of them I consider them Stupid

The sixth.......I consider it funny.....but in some twisted way it makes sense...
the eight twilight might not make sense since there was no official game...I think...

what do you think?
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Old 2011-01-31, 01:56   Link #21788
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You already posted that.
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Old 2011-01-31, 02:27   Link #21789
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You already posted that.
I posted it in the wrong board sorry if I looked like a spammer...
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Old 2011-01-31, 18:12   Link #21790
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I'd've believed it if "Gouge the stomach and kill" lined up with ep7, what with all the gut ripping metaphors. Actually chest (heart) is a better match for ep6 and head (logic) is a better match for ep5. So... probably not true.
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Old 2011-01-31, 19:55   Link #21791
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I'd've believed it if "Gouge the stomach and kill" lined up with ep7, what with all the gut ripping metaphors. Actually chest (heart) is a better match for ep6 and head (logic) is a better match for ep5. So... probably not true.
As i mention is pure Speculation

but you cant deny that at least makes sense.....
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Old 2011-01-31, 21:30   Link #21792
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I have been thinking for a while.............What if we misuderstood What Ryukishi wanted us to find...

what if the only thing that matters in Umineko is the Who and Why dunnit?

what if we take that philosophy to the games......

I have also been thinking for a while that maybe the epitaph does not only contains the answer for the Ushiromiyas'gold......What if the Epitaph is also related to the games......

For example in the first part of the epitaph and the first twilight it describes in some way Umineko's Plot:

Spoiler for Epitaph and Episodes:


This is just especulation
and some of them I consider them Stupid

The sixth.......I consider it funny.....but in some twisted way it makes sense...
the eight twilight might not make sense since there was no official game...I think...

what do you think?
i don't know,ep7 is already explain the epitapt and what is it for.if i remember correctly,i think who ever solve the epitapt will become the new head of ushiromiya
anyways good speculation though.
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Old 2011-02-01, 03:24   Link #21793
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i have a theory that can explain why kanon doesn't leave a corpse.he was just a persona that yasu created for shannon, it also means that yasu is kanon.
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Old 2011-02-01, 04:12   Link #21794
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That's pretty much the general agreement on Kanon's status.
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Old 2011-02-01, 04:23   Link #21795
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i don't know,ep7 is already explain the epitapt and what is it for.if i remember correctly,i think who ever solve the epitapt will become the new head of ushiromiya
anyways good speculation though.
Are you certainly sure that you understand what he/she means ?
If I can understand it right it's his understanding of it with it's connection to games
The thing that you said is completely unrelated

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i have a theory that can explain why kanon doesn't leave a corpse.he was just a persona that yasu created for shannon, it also means that yasu is kanon.
It's a theory that has been established before you were even here
I'm almost tired of hearing it
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Old 2011-02-01, 04:41   Link #21796
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It's an interesting idea pierrot, but it feels kinda forced in a lot of aspects. Also, it'd be a neat trick if he intended that kind of forshadowing, but god Ryukishi would have to have one enormous ego if he went into writing the epitaph with an ending essentially saying "PRAISE ME!"
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Old 2011-02-01, 12:17   Link #21797
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That's pretty much the general agreement on Kanon's status.
yeah i know and it can answer how he disappear in battler's closed room in ep6.


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Are you certainly sure that you understand what he/she means ?
If I can understand it right it's his understanding of it with it's connection to games
The thing that you said is completely unrelated
i understand it completely you know,im just saying things whether its related or not.
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Old 2011-02-01, 12:25   Link #21798
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yeah i know and it can answer how he disappear in battler's closed room in ep6.
Can it? Are you sure?
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Old 2011-02-01, 12:34   Link #21799
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The "three bodies" truth does make it somewhat problematic. The ep6 logic error is the one time where classic Shkannon's existance would actually explain something.
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Old 2011-02-01, 12:37   Link #21800
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Can it? Are you sure?
yes
first of all,kanon is just a persona created by yasu so if kanon died he will never leave a corpse,so yasu acted as kanon.in ep7 Will said that "only the actor can kill the character" which means that yasu can kill the kanon persona whenever she wants.

here's how i see what happened.
i believe what happened was after kanon hid in the closet yasu killed the kanon persona then hid under the bed or maybe yasu change from kanon persona to beatrice.

it doesn't violate any red so i think this is right.

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