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Old 2011-02-01, 16:53   Link #2901
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When he traced them, though, weren't they empty on the inside and wouldn't work even though he understood the object he would try to trace? IIRC, he understood the heater that Issei asked him to fix and the problem with it and so was able to fix it and all, but he wouldn't be able to project it. I think the same would apply to an attempt to project a gun. The only reason he can project swords correctly (with a few extras, like Rho Aias), I think, is because of his reality marble.
I took that as he was unable to at the time. If he knows everything there is to know about a gun, why can't he project it?

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Old 2011-02-01, 18:07   Link #2902
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I took that as he was unable to at the time. If he knows everything there is to know about a gun, why can't he project it?
I think not being able to project something correctly is the norm for Shirou and swords are the exception, if we attribute lack of skill for his inability to project working things. UBW and his affinity with swords, as Rin puts it, offsets his lack of skill when it comes to projecting those things, and none too well. He wouldn't be able to project a gun because he's inexperienced, that's all, and a Shirou with more skill would probably be able to.

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Old 2011-02-01, 22:25   Link #2903
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I think not being able to project something correctly is the norm for Shirou and swords are the exception, if we attribute lack of skill for his inability to project working things. UBW and his affinity with swords, as Rin puts it, offsets his lack of skill when it comes to projecting those things, and none too well. He wouldn't be able to project a gun because he's inexperienced, that's all, and a Shirou with more skill would probably be able to.
I don't think that is true. He scans different items when he fixes them, and studies their structure, so he might be able to trace them, but they'll just be hollow shells of prana and won't work. Guns are very intricate, and the things he traces are just hollow shells given form. Besides being close to swords, magical weaponry seems to almost have "souls" and he seems to call upon that. Shields already cost enough prana to make, I shudder to think of what complex things would cost, if they work at all. He doesn't have the prana to spare.
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Old 2011-02-01, 23:13   Link #2904
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I don't think that is true. He scans different items when he fixes them, and studies their structure, so he might be able to trace them, but they'll just be hollow shells of prana and won't work. Guns are very intricate, and the things he traces are just hollow shells given form. Besides being close to swords, magical weaponry seems to almost have "souls" and he seems to call upon that. Shields already cost enough prana to make, I shudder to think of what complex things would cost, if they work at all. He doesn't have the prana to spare.
Aren't we talking in theory though? In theory it is possible. His harem has got to have enough prana so I think that's covered.
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Old 2011-02-02, 09:54   Link #2905
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Aren't we talking in theory though? In theory it is possible. His harem has got to have enough prana so I think that's covered.
Theoretically, yeah. Though we don't know how long those temporary contracts last, and besides which, if he's in trouble like that, wouldn't they be backing him up and need the prana as well?

But yeah, Rin even says as such when she looks in the shed at the pots, waht he makes are just hollow prana in the shape of something, they are merely illusions, just, some specials illusions are pretty darn powerful. Mundane objects probably won't work right.
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Old 2011-02-02, 11:20   Link #2906
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I don't think he can do it, actually, even in theory. I don't think he can make such complex machinery accurately enough, especially when it's not anything sword-like. Also, I'm pretty sure Nasu has canonically stated that he can't.
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Old 2011-02-02, 11:28   Link #2907
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I don't think he can do it, actually, even in theory. I don't think he can make such complex machinery accurately enough, especially when it's not anything sword-like. Also, I'm pretty sure Nasu has canonically stated that he can't.
Nasu's notorious for flip-flopping canon in interviews (especially regarding power levels), so was that statement declared in-story or during interviews?
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Old 2011-02-02, 13:31   Link #2908
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Can anyone tell me at what point you get the opening video for the final story arc in the game (Heavens Feel)? Was playing it before with a view to stop for today when I got to that point and ended up playing for 2 and half hours and still no opening video...

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Old 2011-02-02, 14:14   Link #2909
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There isn't one in the PC version of the game (which I assume is the version you're playing). Unless the people who made the Realta Nua patch for it has released another patch with that video, at least.
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Ah that explains it! Thanks
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Old 2011-02-02, 17:29   Link #2911
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Yeah, unless you have the RN patch which includes it, there isn't a HF intro video.
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Old 2011-02-02, 19:19   Link #2912
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Can anyone tell me at what point you get the opening video for the final story arc in the game (Heavens Feel)? Was playing it before with a view to stop for today when I got to that point and ended up playing for 2 and half hours and still no opening video...

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As said, there is none. But you are in HF, so enjoy! Be sure to visit the game thread when you are done.

On a side note, I went bonkers waiting for a OP. I wasn't sure if I was on the route or not either.
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Old 2011-02-09, 19:02   Link #2913
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Does anyone know if Nasu and/or Takeuchi were involved in the making of the animes?
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Old 2011-02-09, 19:04   Link #2914
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Does anyone know if Nasu and/or Takeuchi were involved in the making of the animes?
Does knowing how bad they are answer your question?
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Old 2011-02-09, 19:05   Link #2915
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According to ANN, Nasu is only credited with "Original Concept" (meaning no). If, by Takeuchi, you mean Takashi Takeuchi who did the original character designs, yes. He's credited with that and storyboard.
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Old 2011-02-09, 19:06   Link #2916
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Does knowing how bad they are answer your question?
Hey now... be nice. It's still a valid question; I don't want to assume or anything.

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According to ANN, Nasu is only credited with "Original Concept" (meaning no). If, by Takeuchi, you mean Takashi Takeuchi who did the original character designs, yes. He's credited with that and storyboard.
Ah, that helps thanks. But I don't think they list every little role on there. Nasu was like an adviser for KnK and he's only listed as Original Creator, so yeah.
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Old 2011-02-09, 19:11   Link #2917
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Ah, that helps thanks. But I don't think they list every little role on there. Nasu was like an adviser for KnK and he's only listed as Original Creator, so yeah.
It's never really listed on ANN because we never know the answers, i mean look how we only just found out about Kara no Kyoukai thanks to the boxset.
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Well, we just found out. But was there every interviews released revealing this information before? Who knows.
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Old 2011-02-18, 08:39   Link #2919
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Projection

Regarding Shirou's method of projection, it is stated that his Noble Phantasm copies are weaker by an entire rank due to the limits of analysis by sight. However, if he were able to hold the Noble Phantasms and perform Structural Grasp magecraft or some other kind of analysis, could he negate this drop?
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Old 2011-02-18, 09:04   Link #2920
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Does anyone know if Nasu and/or Takeuchi were involved in the making of the animes?
The first one? I actually read somewhere in an interview that they did make some suggestions like what they add to pad things out.
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