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Old 2011-02-04, 08:49   Link #981
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If that's so then the situation is familiar with "Supernatural" where God was dead and only the Archangels and Angels were taking care for the Earth.
Lol, I've been trying to subtly implant that thought into people's head for months FINALLY someone else brought up [Supernatural] !

Except God isn't quite dead yet in that show either.

But the Angels are still dicks.
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Old 2011-02-04, 08:57   Link #982
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Lol, I've been trying to subtly implant that thought into people's head for months FINALLY someone else brought up [Supernatural] !

Except God isn't quite dead yet in that show either.

But the Angels are still dicks.
The conclusion is that in every show Angels are dicks who doesn't care about the humanity. Only Castiel cares , but that doesn't change the fact that he is dick.
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Old 2011-02-04, 22:39   Link #983
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If that's so then the situation is familiar with "Supernatural" where God was dead and only the Archangels and Angels were taking care for the Earth.
Except in this series God seems to be missing from Heaven, and if God's Right Seat is right(lol pun) God must be hidden under a differente form not an angel of course.
Thatst when my "God embedded in Humanity" theory from the kabbalah come again


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But the Angels are still dicks.
Without a master sure they are but, just look the difference at how Misha was during the Angel Fall and how Misha was during the War under Fiamma's orders.
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Old 2011-02-05, 04:01   Link #984
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During Angel Fall, the archangel isn't exactly pleased when something insignificant
pulled it out of its seat and sent it crashing onto a lower plane.
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Old 2011-02-05, 08:24   Link #985
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I believe we should be this way: Aeon of Osiris is the format that Christian God belongs to. Each aeon has its own deities, and the new one replace the old.

I think this is really what being higher than god mean. You become the new god of the next era and the old god gets disqualified. So, the Christian God will be eating his own medicine on what he did to the Pagan Gods back in Aeon of Isis.
But if that is so, then who made Aiwass and AIM? It is a new kind of Angel. If not God then who? The Horusian deity? Where did it come from if it is not Aleister trying to become it.
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Old 2011-02-05, 08:59   Link #986
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But if that is so, then who made Aiwass and AIM? It is a new kind of Angel. If not God then who? The Horusian deity? Where did it come from if it is not Aleister trying to become it.
Fiamma mentioned that Aiwass' existence is an anomaly- An Angel that cannot be explained by holy books or theology, in this world which God has made it symbolises material beyond God’s control I assume that means nothing in this Universe made it. But if you subscribe to the idea of Multiverses...

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Old 2011-02-05, 15:41   Link #987
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i'm starting to think it might be a situation similar to the shin megami tensei verse....
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Old 2011-02-05, 21:35   Link #988
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Fiamma mentioned that Aiwass' existence is an anomaly- An Angel that cannot be explained by holy books or theology, in this world which God has made it symbolises material beyond God’s control I assume that means nothing in this Universe made it. But if you subscribe to the idea of Multiverses...
I view it more as God's new experiment....
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Old 2011-02-05, 22:50   Link #989
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Fiamma mentioned that Aiwass' existence is an anomaly- An Angel that cannot be explained by holy books or theology, in this world which God has made it symbolises material beyond God’s control I assume that means nothing in this Universe made it. But if you subscribe to the idea of Multiverses...
Thats the part which mades me think of Lucifer and the info about GRS, why an angel, supposed to be a tool, aimed to be higher than God?
Does this mean Lucifer was beyond God's control but got defeated before achieving that goal by Michael?
If thats true what if Lucifer just took his time to evolve into something above God?
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Old 2011-02-05, 23:02   Link #990
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first whats higher and lower?
They said that God is higher than Human,Devils are lower than Human?
Then wat r God vs Devils are they equal or ????

I think thats one of the mystery in To aru Universe?!
wat is Touma a devil that can deny the existance of GOD's words?
OR
A God that clenses the Devil? or maybe a DEVIL is the same as a GOD?
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Old 2011-02-05, 23:16   Link #991
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Thats the part which mades me think of Lucifer and the info about GRS, why an angel, supposed to be a tool, aimed to be higher than God?
Does this mean Lucifer was beyond God's control but got defeated before achieving that goal by Michael?
If thats true what if Lucifer just took his time to evolve into something above God?
Lucifer's rebellion was cause from a 'malfunction' in it's control, that spread to 1/3 of the Angels... At least that was Vent's explanation in Vol13. Either way it was still one of God's Angel while Aiwass was like a total freak of some kind and was not part of God's 'plan'.

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first whats higher and lower?
They said that God is higher than Human,Devils are lower than Human?
Then wat r God vs Devils are they equal or ????
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Old 2011-02-05, 23:21   Link #992
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first whats higher and lower?
They said that God is higher than Human,Devils are lower than Human?
Then wat r God vs Devils are they equal or ????

I think thats one of the mystery in To aru Universe?!
wat is Touma a devil that can deny the existance of GOD's words?
OR
A God that clenses the Devil? or maybe a DEVIL is the same as a GOD?
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Old 2011-02-05, 23:23   Link #993
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Lucifer's rebellion was cause from a 'malfunction' in it's control, that spread to 1/3 of the Angels... At least that was Vent's explanation in Vol13. Either way it was still one of God's Angel while Aiwass was like a total freak of some kind and was not part of God's 'plan'.
Take Lucifer's rebellion after the malfunction as something that isn't part of God's plan.
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Old 2011-02-06, 00:24   Link #994
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Thats the part which mades me think of Lucifer and the info about GRS, why an angel, supposed to be a tool, aimed to be higher than God?
Does this mean Lucifer was beyond God's control but got defeated before achieving that goal by Michael?
If thats true what if Lucifer just took his time to evolve into something above God?
As far as I can tell, Angels = Divine Robots.

rebellion = corrupted programming etc
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As far as I can tell, Angels = Divine Robots.

rebellion = corrupted programming etc
Or so people in canon say... they also said Angels are merely tools of God, like puppets with no will of their own. Misha had opinions and views in the LN Vol4, and she's obviously a angel/'robot' (eg her saying that Touma's father being the one ultimately responsible for Angel Fall is a 'boring' outcome), contradicting the mages' view.

There's probably some basis in that, but it's likely not the whole picture. eg, The novels even have said Lucifer's fall was some sort of faulty programming and it lead to a third of Heaven's Army defecting...
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Old 2011-02-06, 00:52   Link #996
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Or so people in canon say... they also said Angels are merely tools of God, like puppets with no will of their own. Misha had opinions and views in the LN Vol4, and she's obviously a angel/'robot' (eg her saying that Touma's father being the one ultimately responsible for Angel Fall is a 'boring' outcome), contradicting the mages' view.

There's probably some basis in that, but it's likely not the whole picture. eg, The novels even have said Lucifer's fall was some sort of faulty programming and it lead to a third of Heaven's Army defecting...
My opinion is that the 'Fallen' Angels are the ones that somehow attain freewill, and that was what the 'malfunction' really is.

When Misha fell, she had somehow gain human freewill when her position gets switched.
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Old 2011-02-06, 01:55   Link #997
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Or so people in canon say... they also said Angels are merely tools of God, like puppets with no will of their own. Misha had opinions and views in the LN Vol4, and she's obviously a angel/'robot' (eg her saying that Touma's father being the one ultimately responsible for Angel Fall is a 'boring' outcome), contradicting the mages' view.

There's probably some basis in that, but it's likely not the whole picture. eg, The novels even have said Lucifer's fall was some sort of faulty programming and it lead to a third of Heaven's Army defecting...
Well it could be like they are AI units
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Nope, Fallen Angel does not attain free will. It is more of a bug in the control system instead of the angels actually got a brain.
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Old 2011-02-06, 22:05   Link #999
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Well, let's list some of his "misfortunes":

- He stripped Index, Agnes, Lucia, and Angelene with his all powerful right hand.
- He saw a couple of girls naked namely Index, Kanzaki Kaori, Orsola, and Fukiyose Seiri.
- He has a natural tendency to attract girls to him (i.e. Mikoto, Kaori, Index, Seiri, Itsuwa, and Aisa).

^ Well, those are the good parts of his misfortunes. Other than that, he seems to have a tendency of getting into a "the world rest in your hands" fight and always always always ended being in a hospital . I wonder, does he have a good insurance or what?
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