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Old 2011-02-09, 16:29   Link #261
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Yeah. It's just a guess, but I think Nove knows a bit more about one of her pupils than someone who doesn't regularly spar with her does.
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Old 2011-02-09, 16:39   Link #262
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That's one thing that bugs me, Raiser - this isn't some gladitorial arena. It's a children's tournament with rules. If somebody actually did Vivio's imagine spot for real, they'd probably be penalized rather harshly.

And she's acting like a know-it-all over one attack. "You can't block two spinning blades with your bare hands while not in your barrier jacket. Your fighting style is TERRIBLE!"
Shante's a much better fighter than Vivio is.

Fighters don't need words to know anything between them.

A single attack can tell a fighter more about their opponent than words ever could.
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Old 2011-02-09, 16:41   Link #263
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Have an attack your opponent can't block =/= 'better fighter'

Shante specifically told Vivio not to dodge or do anything about her attack other than try to block it. She's a Belkan user, which are geared toward offense. It doesn't surprise me she wouldn't be able to stop something with a lot of effort behind it.
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Old 2011-02-09, 16:42   Link #264
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Ah, no matter, I think she cheated anyways.

I so predict Vivio can handle that move by attacking into it
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Old 2011-02-09, 16:43   Link #265
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I agree with Justin. As Deed said, Vivio's surrounded by people who love her and know how to fight. They wouldn't set her up for a fall.

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Old 2011-02-09, 16:43   Link #266
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Have an attack your opponent can't block =/= 'better fighter'
Shante was able to tell that it wasn't Vivio doing the blocking and dodging, but her device, from only one or two clashes and was able to figure out that Vivio's not suited for front-line fighting and was able to determine the Chris wasn't being used to his full potential in one spar.

So, yes, Shante IS a better fighter than Vivio is.
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Old 2011-02-09, 16:47   Link #267
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She was able to determine that SHE thought Vivio wasn't good at close-range combat.

And if she knows Vivio is under-utilizing her Device, why not tell if she's so helpful?
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Old 2011-02-09, 16:50   Link #268
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She was able to determine that SHE thought Vivio wasn't good at close-range combat.
Deed didn't disagree with Shante's assessment, if you recall, she just said that Nove would help her over-come those weaknesses.

So, hmm... That's at least two people that said that Vivio wasn't good at close-range combat.

And it looks like even Vivio realizes it at the end of the chapter.
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Old 2011-02-09, 16:53   Link #269
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And none of those people, mind, are routinely a part of her training regiment.

I'm sorry if I'm pushing this, but I really, REALLY hate characters like this, because they're everywhere in real life. "You know, you're not any good at that anyway, why not just give up before you embarrass yourself?"
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And none of those people, mind, are routinely a part of her training regiment.
... *Blinks*

You're saying that Vivio isn't part of her own training regiment?

Wow...

Edit: You seem to not know one thing about fighters in general.

They can tell just how skilled someone is by looking at how they walk. Yeah, that's right, they can tell how good someone is BEFORE words or fists are exchanged.
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Old 2011-02-09, 16:57   Link #271
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I can see the retort 'thats just peer pressure' but of course she's not her full potential, she's a child
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... *Blinks*

You're saying that Vivio isn't part of her own training regiment?

Wow...
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That's at least two people that said that Vivio wasn't good at close-range combat.
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Admittedly, neither would have been a better word to use there.

And if that's the case, shouldn't Einhart have commented on this supposed flaw long before this?
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Old 2011-02-09, 17:01   Link #273
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She's in love (not her, the dude) and is timid, i dunno
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Old 2011-02-09, 17:02   Link #274
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She left a fight with Vivio because she thought she wasn't taking her seriously. She's certainly not timid about that.
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Old 2011-02-09, 17:04   Link #275
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:|

Admittedly, neither would have been a better word to use there.

And if that's the case, shouldn't Einhart have commented on this supposed flaw long before this?
For Einhart Vivio - Olivie, the strongest fighter of her era. Love is blind after all.
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Old 2011-02-09, 17:04   Link #276
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Hm. Porno bind and palmtop tiger. A fun chapter.
And Otaku Hayate strikes again. Though she's trying to dodge copyright infringement with the leopard bit.
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Old 2011-02-09, 17:29   Link #277
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Shante specifically told Vivio not to dodge or do anything about her attack other than try to block it. She's a Belkan user, which are geared toward offense. It doesn't surprise me she wouldn't be able to stop something with a lot of effort behind it.
Not quite, Belkan users are geared toward melee combat, but being geared for melee combat does not mean you have terrible defense. Look at Subaru, or Vita. Those two have roles that were described to be the most defensive roles in the bureau structure, and both are Belkan users.

But why are people commenting on Shante as if this is the first time they've met? Shante knows Vivio for quite some time now, considering how familiar the two are with one another. Shante already knows about Vivio's fighting style, this spar was just a double check to make sure.

And it's not like she told Vivio 'you suck, so just quit' she just wanted to show Vivio 'not everyone is a nice person, here's what could happen.' at most you could add an 'are you sure you want to do this?' but she didn't even got as far as that.

She's just a worried friend, not a haughty bitch with a superiority complex.
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Old 2011-02-09, 17:53   Link #278
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I didn't say they weren't good at defense, just devastating at that close range, and from what we've seen, generally better than the Midchildan style's shields to compensate for their often lack of projectiles. Nanoha needed to borrow their system to properly guard against attacks from them, anyway.

And that's part of what bugs me, actually. She could just tell Vivio all this stuff directly if she's so positive of it, instead of just assuming she'll interpret it that way instead of 'my friend is a little crazy'. But she doesn't, and still goes on about how 'nice' she is. It's not like adopting the same role as Corona or Lutecia would protect her from getting hurt, either - the former got a Starlight Breaker, the latter got Rocket Punched.
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Old 2011-02-09, 17:58   Link #279
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I think Vivio's interpreting it correctly: she still has lots to work on. Even if it isn't what Shante meant.
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Old 2011-02-09, 18:00   Link #280
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Oh, of course. Nanoha got as tough as she did by training, after all. But switching to something you're better at but haven't put any training in is counter-productive, something she probably also knows. Shante seems lucky enough to enjoy something she's also talented in, and might not realize that.
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