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Old 2011-02-25, 23:32   Link #761
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So, I was talking to Moczo on AIM recently, and we got to talking about, for some odd reason, the pairings. And I was thinking about Chaos Theory, and it crossed my mind... we all blame Shirou (and even Shirou blames himself, in-story) for being a lolicon, but technically Ilya is a the one who is "wrong"; she's a shotacon! Shirou is under eighteen!

Oh, won't that be fun when they figure it out...
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Old 2011-02-26, 00:34   Link #762
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So, I was talking to Moczo on AIM recently, and we got to talking about, for some odd reason, the pairings. And I was thinking about Chaos Theory, and it crossed my mind... we all blame Shirou (and even Shirou blames himself, in-story) for being a lolicon, but technically Ilya is a the one who is "wrong"; she's a shotacon! Shirou is under eighteen!

Oh, won't that be fun when they figure it out...
I smugly note that I pointed that out in my Chapter 10 review.
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Old 2011-02-26, 04:23   Link #763
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Shirou is under eighteen!
So you say but...

All characters appearing in this game are over 18 years of age...

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Old 2011-02-26, 09:08   Link #764
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So, I was talking to Moczo on AIM recently, and we got to talking about, for some odd reason, the pairings. And I was thinking about Chaos Theory, and it crossed my mind... we all blame Shirou (and even Shirou blames himself, in-story) for being a lolicon, but technically Ilya is a the one who is "wrong"; she's a shotacon! Shirou is under eighteen!

Oh, won't that be fun when they figure it out...
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I smugly note that I pointed that out in my Chapter 10 review.
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So you say but...

All characters appearing in this game are over 18 years of age...

... ... okay, I am morally obligated to lampshade this in future chapters. I wasn't going to, but I simply have no choice now.
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Old 2011-02-26, 10:54   Link #765
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So, I was talking to Moczo on AIM recently, and we got to talking about, for some odd reason, the pairings. And I was thinking about Chaos Theory, and it crossed my mind... we all blame Shirou (and even Shirou blames himself, in-story) for being a lolicon, but technically Ilya is a the one who is "wrong"; she's a shotacon! Shirou is under eighteen!

Oh, won't that be fun when they figure it out...
He's not really a shota, though. While age can certainly be a factor, it's mostly about appearance. I mean, no one's going to call Shirou a lolicon for loving Rin, Sakura, or Saber, only with Ilya. In turn, it's the same. He's not a cute little boy; he's a roughened near-adult.
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Old 2011-02-26, 12:08   Link #766
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... ... okay, I am morally obligated to lampshade this in future chapters. I wasn't going to, but I simply have no choice now.
You might want to confirm all the ages first though. Considering their appearance and education level, I somehow doubt Shirou, Rin and Sakura to be over 18.
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Old 2011-02-26, 12:28   Link #767
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You might want to confirm all the ages first though. Considering their appearance and education level, I somehow doubt Shirou, Rin and Sakura to be over 18.
As I understand it, Shirou and Rin are 17 and Sakura is 16. I know only Ilya is 18+, though, which is really all I need to make a joke about it.
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Old 2011-02-26, 12:35   Link #768
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Well, Saber is as 18+ as Ilya is technically. Just like Ilya, her body stopped aging, but she's technically at least in her 30s. She was what, 14 when her body stopped aging? And King Arthur is stated to have been in at least two battles that were about 20 years apart (around 518-537, in the most conservative estimate) in the 6th century, so that puts her in her 30s. But Arthur is also said to have been around in the late 5th century to fight invaders, so that means she'd be at least in her 50s.

And she has a kid... OH GOD, SABER'S A MILF!!
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Old 2011-02-26, 12:38   Link #769
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As I understand it, Shirou and Rin are 17 and Sakura is 16. I know only Ilya is 18+, though, which is really all I need to make a joke about it.
Shirou is 16 or 17 (probably 17). Rin is 16 at the beginning of the game, but her 17th birthday is on the 4th or 5th day. Sakura is 15, but her 16th birthday is in a month's time.
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Old 2011-02-26, 19:33   Link #770
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Well, Saber is as 18+ as Ilya is technically. Just like Ilya, her body stopped aging, but she's technically at least in her 30s. She was what, 14 when her body stopped aging? And King Arthur is stated to have been in at least two battles that were about 20 years apart (around 518-537, in the most conservative estimate) in the 6th century, so that puts her in her 30s. But Arthur is also said to have been around in the late 5th century to fight invaders, so that means she'd be at least in her 50s.

And she has a kid... OH GOD, SABER'S A MILF!!
... Wth? I thought Saber's back story said that the heir after Arturia was her nephew in the VN? And that in Fate/Zero Lancelot went against Arturia due to Arturia's 'queen' have to play the role and in the end cannot be happy as a woman?

Saber AFAIK never gave birth to a kid... or is there a reference anyone can point to me which suggest otherwise?
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Old 2011-02-26, 20:45   Link #771
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Saber was technically the father, but she's a woman with a kid so she qualifies as a milf.
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Old 2011-02-27, 08:18   Link #772
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... Wth? I thought Saber's back story said that the heir after Arturia was her nephew in the VN? And that in Fate/Zero Lancelot went against Arturia due to Arturia's 'queen' have to play the role and in the end cannot be happy as a woman?

Saber AFAIK never gave birth to a kid... or is there a reference anyone can point to me which suggest otherwise?
Saber never gave birth to any kid. They're talking about Mordred, who is her clone.
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Old 2011-02-27, 10:04   Link #773
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I know only Ilya is 18+, though, which is really all I need to make a joke about it.
How old is she anyway? Christmas Cake?
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Old 2011-02-27, 10:23   Link #774
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How old is she anyway? Christmas Cake?
She's 18 on the dot.
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Old 2011-02-27, 11:17   Link #775
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Well, if you want to be technical, Saber was at least 25 when she died; she just doesn't look like it since Caliburn stopped her physical aging.
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Old 2011-02-27, 19:12   Link #776
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Wait, Caliburn? I thought it was Avalon.
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Old 2011-02-27, 19:17   Link #777
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Well, Avalon would make more logical sense, but since she never actually received it until several years after she became king, it doesn't seem to fit with the timeline. Plus, I'm pretty sure that the game states that she stopped ageing as soon as she became king, rather than when she received Avalon.
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Old 2011-02-27, 19:35   Link #778
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Yeah, the game says she stopped aging the moment she pulled the sword (Caliburn) from the stone.
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Old 2011-03-01, 22:26   Link #779
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So, any suggestions on how to handle an emotional scene with a character who isn't usually an emotional mess without making it into Narm?
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Old 2011-03-02, 08:45   Link #780
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So, any suggestions on how to handle an emotional scene with a character who isn't usually an emotional mess without making it into Narm?
Any emotional scene is going to be Narm to someone.

The only advice I can give you (which probably isn't worth much) is to not completely derail the character in the process, focus on their actual emotions rather than physical actions/reactions, and for the love of God avoid cliches and contrived coincidences.
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